No-one has that luxury when conducting a trade. We all know that if AR plays for three more seasons, we hit the play-offs each time, throw in a couple of AFCCGs and a VLT win then the trade is the bargain of the century. If AR gets crocked in training camp and never takes to the field again, it is an unmitigated disaster of biblical proportions and everyone involved will get killed in their sleep. It takes no insight, literally none at all, to work that out. So what is the position? From my uninformed basis as a fan who turns up to occasional games but watches every down on NFL Game Pass my take is this. We need something at the position after two consecutive high draft QB whiffs. This is exacerbated by an unexpectedly brilliant draft which has vastly improved the playing ability of the roster elsewhere. We now have a win-now window if we can upgrade at QB. So, to answer Colorado Contrail's question above, I am in favour of the trade over any other realistic QB option, that may have been available, including Carr, Jimmy G or Lamar. We have paid top dollar in my opinion. The limit of acceptability. I would have been happy with the conditional pick were it tied to performance rather than attendance. That said, I suspect JD has not been as fleeced as some are reporting. They must be reasonably confident AR will not be 'one and done'. The embarrasment will be if he retires, uninjured, after next season. The terms of the revised contract have yet to emerge which is likely to be cap friendly for NYJ. I would have taken the trade terms we have here rather than the brinkmanship option of gambling and not getting Rodgers at all. So for now, as of this minute, even if it doesn't work out, it is a YES from me. I absolutely fucking love it and cannot wait for this era to begin.
Carr hasn't even been as good as last year's Rodgers, let alone the two MVP Rodgers years before that. There's a good reason that Douglas didn't sign Carr: even if he might've gotten them to the playoffs, getting to the SB past the likes of Mahomes, and the other young AFC stud QBs was unlikely. Only Rodgers gives them a shot at doing that. And because Carr is younger, whatever you signed him for you'd be stuck with it longer than Rodgers's 2 and maybe 3 years. The only think you're really giving up with Rodgers instead of Carr is the likely 1st rounder next year, but if AR delivers a SB run in exchange for a 1st round pick isn't that a bargain? Carr is the poster child for "Good is the enemy of Great".
If the rest of your team is legit SB caliber, “Good” is good enough. The problem is fan denial that the Rodgers that we are getting is the Rodgers of two years ago. He isn’t. GB knows that, if he was still that good he would not have been on the market in the first place. yeah, get me to the SB and I will enjoy my crow dinner. you also assume that Carr would not improve in a better situation. Carr was a good to very good player who still may have had some upside. Rodgers only has downside. with Carr and those picks, we are at least a playoff team for the next five years. With Rodgers, if he busts, we are set back three to five years. So, yeah, maybe Rodgers gives us a bit more upside this season, but the risk and the price is just way too high in my mind.
I also think Carr is “good” to maybe “very good”, but he’s not “great”, and I don’t think he’s the guy to go on a Super Bowl run through the likes of Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Jackson, and Lawrence. Can he beat any one of them in a straight up game? Sure…we do have a very good defense and we have good weapons at WR/TE/RB. I think Carr can get us to the playoffs with the current team we have around him. But I don’t think he’s good enough to go through the wringer. We’d be trying to replicate what we did with those Rex teams…I think Carr is better than Sanchez…much better…but we’d still need stellar defense and everything to break right for that to happen. Is Rodgers the same guy as 5 years ago? No probably not. But I think he does give us a better chance in the playoffs…I still think Rodgers is capable of going on a 5 game run of great QB play. Shit, even with a broken thumb and new raw receivers he still had a pretty good year. I also think Rodgers is probably a 2-3 year gig … I think JD was confident enough in that to do the deal the way he did it…we’ll see what this upcoming revised contract looks like, as that will give us a clue, but if it becomes a 3 year deal that spreads the cost out that’s an indication of timing. Anyway, I do agree that after Carr and Garrapolo were gone there was no other viable option. Garrapolo has already taken a team to the Super Bowl, so he’s shown that he can, but he’s been so injury prone that he’s a risk as well. No…it was clearly Rodgers or bust…
If Rodgers does play more than one year, then obviously it is somewhat in his interest to minimize that conditional pick. I'm wondering if there's any precedent for a team and a player conspiring to keep the player's snaps below a certain threshold in order to minimize the impact of surrendering a conditional pick. I suppose it's silly to think about with a 65% threshold, but what if it were 85%?
my vote is yes, but its really yes and no... as in we wont be ablke to say til a few years on... if they go deep in playoffs or... and Zachs light bulb goes on... or ... the more likely... it goes pfffft
The best solution for the Jets was to trade for Rodgers and give GB the amount of extra compensation in this year's draft that would have made them willing to playoff-protect our 2024 pick. It likely wouldn't even be that much; GB only got it out of us because we have a GM who placed zero value on playoff-protecting the pick. This is what I'm upset about; it isn't like I didn't want Rodgers or had unrealistic expectations about the value we'd have to give up to get him. It's the lack of hedging against Rodgers hitting the wall at 39 because Douglas's interest isn't aligned with the team's.
This, noone will know whether it was a good trade or not till a year down the road. If Rodgers takes us deep in the playoffs and commits to a second year than the trade was excellent, if he retires it was shit. I'm just glad we took the chance, watching this mediocre crap every year has made me lose my passion for the game but now I am actually excited for the first time in years.
Well the difference is that Carr creates a longer window due to his age at what we will assume is a more cost effective price and there is no sacrifice of draft capital so we could added at least two more pieces to the team to improve the situation around him. He’s virtually the same player as Stafford but for some reason everyone hates Carr and trashed him yet loved Stafford. Rodgers gives us a one year window that you would assume is two years if the Jets were confident enough to give up a conditional draft pick. A freak injury or if the guy wants to go take psychedelics in Ghana instead of playing next year means you now have a one year window. Whereas a Carr injury still leaves you with a multiple year window. I’m not against the all-in window that the Jets have decided to go with here but I’m just laying out the positives/negatives of both scenarios. We look like we’re heading literally back into 2008 with a somewhat “loaded” roster. I think Rodgers catches way too much shit for his “off the field stuff” because he just spoke about what he thought on some podcasts and it’s not a big deal. But I do think he’s a very unique thinker and very prone to waking up one day and not wanting to play football anymore.
Woody Johnson pushed the whole stack of chips to the center of the table. Asses in seats baby! I vote NO! Tom Brady will come out of retirement again and play for the Fng Fish. NFL "CLASH OF THE TITANS"!!! It's about the Benjamins Jet Fans...
If Rodgers is involved in offseason programs that would be of utmost importance. Provided we are talking about 2024 offseason programs.
My biggest complaint is the conditional pick being tied to such a lame contingent. Rodgers could suck balls next year (not likely) and we still give up a first, I would have liked it to be a little more Performance based not just snaps. I think we have up too much based on the fact that we really had the Packers by the balls, no one wanted Rodgers including the Packers. JD blinked in a game of a chicken, or Woody forced the issue. We probably could have gotten a better deal, but this is one is not terrible and won’t really kill us. I also think JD should have had the balls to say we’re keeping 42 and you get 43, you are not picking in the second round ahead of us.
Making it contingent on 65% of snaps or a playoff berth is pretty much the same thing. There's a small unlikely window where those don't overlap and it's hardly worth fretting about. Also, Carr is a pro bowler. Rodgers is an MVP. They are not the same. Half of you are just spitting nonsense.
The hilarity of people whining about that 2024 pick.lol If AR craps the bed and we “need” that 2024 pick, you can damn sure be guaranteed it wouldn’t be used on a QB. Because, if we did, as is true to Jets form, we would draft a QB destined to be off our team or out of the league in 3 years. So who cares on that one. AR, statistically, has been better than any other Jets QB, in HISTORY, and that’s fact. Including Namath. NY has NEVER had a guy under center with this much talent and skill. Period. AR would have to basically drop so far off the cliff, to not be better than anything ever in a NY Jets QB uniform, that it is not worth discussing. So, NO, the Jets did not give up too much.
The only way we gave up too much is if 1) we miss out on one of the top tier OLs because of the swap from 13 to 15, and 2) AR retires after one season.
I thought the Jets gave up a lot for Rodgers. But they really had no choice with their QB situation. They needed to make a move. Lucky Rodgers helped them out by saying months ago he plans on going to the Jets. He helped the process along.
Favre cost us a 4th rounder (iirc), this is going to cost us a 1st rounder (plus more) It's also clear the jets were in panic mode - he was never going to play for GB this year and they were never going to pay him and so why rush it?
