Agreed on White. I would love to see a full season of him. He's gotta be able to stay healthy though.
When I said I wanted Garoppolo, that was assuming we'd have to trade a significant amount of draft picks for Carr. If we can get Carr for nothing but money, he should be the choice.
I'm slowly starting to change my opinion on Carr. Considering we would have Minshew, or Jimmy G as our top option. My ideal hope is that Mike White balls out these next two games and is in position for starting job next season. If White gets hurt again though then bring in Carr. He's the best option.
Ya me too lol. If he gets cut we should be in negotiations but no way on his current 2023 $30mm+ salary. He is a statue back there tho.
Agreed. JD is going to have to overhaul to entire OL. And there’s little chance he doesn’t spend the bulk of the cap to do so. Job in jeopardy IMO if it doesn’t get fixed. Maybe you draft interior LB and Safety prospect. But this is the year to go all O-Line. Mike White is the best option to do this. Tell him to add 15 lbs of muscle, strengthen his core in the offseason, and practice throwing with the big ole Kirk Cousins style flack jacket.
We will find out over the next two weeks. Need to see TDs, not just passing yards. Take away Chicago game and Whites performance doesn’t cut it.
I hope White becomes Joe Montana, but I can't see JD tie his future on someone with less than 10 game sample size and someone who can't even finish games. He knows he's on the hot seat next year if we miss the playoffs. Just don't see it. Carr is established and JD has already shown he is willing to swing big (think Deebo and Tyreek deals before the draft)
100%. Mike White is a nice story and he’s made some big time NFL throws while understanding how to move the ball. But the hype train here by some is off the charts ridiculous. I hope this opens up the Jets eyes to having a legitimate QB competition next off-season though. Assuming Carr costs too much and Rodgers as a one-year rental is dumb, let’s go with White, Minshew and a mid-round rookie and may the best man win. We’re also juxtaposing White’s play against the worst QB in the league so he looks like Peyton Manning when he throws for over 175.
Mike White has been terrific for the Jets this season. But, if this Jets team is going to get to the show they dam sure want to do it with a seasoned veteran with a history of durability. It's just a little bit precarious for Saleh and Douglas to hang their Jet careers on a young player like White who has a tough time staying on the field. In Carr you have a legitimate Quarterback who has excelled at all the critical game facets like fourth quarter comebacks, game winning drives, his 91 consecutive starts are only second to Tom Brady. Certainly the Jets will need to save some money to build a quality O-line and provide depth at every level. But, quarterback is not a position they should be looking to skimp on. They have failed to put a quality signal caller in place for far too long. The Jets must add a veteran with plenty of experience who can take this team deep into the playoffs and beyond.
Looking to White to play great the rest of the way and get the Jets into the playoffs and maybe win there is a bit of a tall order, don't you think? The guy still has broken ribs and cartilage damage even though he's been cleared to play and cannot be expected to be in peak form. The running game is still lacking and the offensive line is what it has been all year - a makeshift crew. To make decisions for the future based on what a single guy can do in two games under adverse conditions would be an indictment of both Douglas and the coaching staff. The rest of the season has the deck heavily stacked against the team as it stands today and to have some fans expecting much more than they explained away all season is kind of ridiculous.
No we are not - why are people saying this. Mike White is #2 in passing yards when starting. More yardage than the other team every week. It's not a fluke anymore. He just needs to be given the chance and you build an O-line and we're good. Your chances to be consistent winner start with the QB throwing for a lot of yardage and generating more yardage than the other team. Burrow and Herbert are prime examples. Imagine if Mike White was playing with Breece Hall and AVT. This is not a hard thing to envision.
Josh Joshson out-passed the Colts in a single game too. Should we make him Mike White’s unquestioned backup next year? I’m a paying passenger on the Mike White should’ve started all season train. But let’s be realistic. If Derek Carr is available for no draft capital and simply money, it’s an easy decision.
Why are you dismissing raw stats in every game Mike white played this year? This is really the toughest thing to swallow from Jets fans with the Mike White situation. Very perplexing.
The sample size is so tiny. I did this analysis back when you clowns were trying to pump Darnold’s 5-6 solid game stretches. It’s not impossible for journey-men to have good stretches. Talk about perplexing.
A little wrinkle into this: https://www.profootballrumors.com/2...tep-away-from-raiders-to-close-regular-season "Carr will step away from the Raiders for their final two weeks of the season, Ian Rapoport of NFL.com tweets. Discussions between Carr and Raiders brass led to this outcome, per Rapoport, and the ninth-year passer will not attend practices or the team’s final two games... Carr’s contract calls for a $40.4MM payment due three days after Super Bowl LVII, giving the Raiders a chance to arrange a trade. A trade will be complicated by Carr’s no-trade clause and the prospect of a snafu scuttling a deal in the month between an agreed-upon swap and the start of the 2023 league year, the first date trades can become official. Still, recent winter QB trades have occurred, providing a blueprint of sorts for the new Raiders regime. The Lions sent Matthew Stafford to Los Angeles, and the Chiefs dealt Alex Smith to Washington; each trade occurred in January. But a deal falling through would put the Raiders on the hook for the $40.5MM guarantee. A team that agrees to acquire Carr via trade would inherit a through-2025 contract that contains base salaries of $32.9MM (2023), $41.9MM (2024) and $41.2MM (2025). The Raiders agreeing to trade Carr before that February vesting date would put the acquiring team on the hook for that 2023 salary and $7.5MM of the 2024 payment." This is a very strange situation. It seems like Raiders already said good bye to him and don't want to guarantee 40 mil on Feb 10th, hence they shut him down. Carr has a no trade clause, and it's of no benefit to him to want his new team to part with picks when he can become a free agent by Feb 10th, knowing the Raiders don't want to be on the hook for 40 mil. Raiders can force the teams to trade with them if they pick up that 40 mil option on Feb 10. Given this, if there is a trade, I don't think the compensation will be super high - maybe a 3d round pick - but I wonder if the Raiders just release him before Feb 10 outright.
Mike White isn't a journeyman. He's never played a regular season snap before the Jets. He was a projected 3rd/4th round QB in his draft class. He never had a chance to start given Dak was the starter in Cowboys. He can't control who drafts him. Then the Jets signed him to practice squad in the end of 2019 after the Cowboys chose to go with Cooper Rush who they signed a year earlier. There's nothing journeyman about him. He's been a homegrown developed player pretty much from Day 1 (2019/20). Yes, the Jets developed a QB, and his name is Mike White.
Just hope Darnold doesn't win the division and host a playoffs game in 3 weeks. Because you will be the clown.
He hasn't had the worst defense In that stretch.. That's horse shit. He has played on a team with some bad defenses though In statistical categories that matter. It may not be his sole fault but It's still the fact of the matter. Pointing at something else In an attempt to ignore the facts Isn't realistic to me. He's only played In ONE playoff game, correct? Is that not my statement? I'm confused. In that game he missed, they got destroyed. I'd say that was a credit to the player but I didn't watch the game that I recall. So, I don't know. They got beat by Brock Osweiler and the Texans to boot.. Good times. Either way. Again... The dude hasn't lit the world on fire. He has been average. Despite the defenses he's had, he's made his fair share of mishaps along the way to keep that team where It's been. The next year their defense ranks the exact same as their "playoff" caliber year. Yet, they finished what? 6-9? We can go back and forth and point the finger at all these other factors to make our arguments look better. Not interested though. Fact Is.. Carr has been average his entire career. Carr has only played In ONE playoff game In that time. Carr has never won a playoff game. Carr plays like complete dog shit In cold weather. Carr Is on his way out for a reason. Carr has been talked about as being just that, an average QB that needs to go In order for that team to finally get over the hump. He's been on shaky ground for years because of his QB play. Hard pass. For the money he will no doubt command. Very hard pass. In the end. We can debate the player If you want.. This extra stuff, I don't give a shit about. We are only getting off track on what this specific QB Is. As a player. I think he Is consistently average with a good amount of flaws In his game. I don't think he Is worth the money he will likely command, I don't think his talent will elevate a team on the brink of success. I think he has the ability to keep a team stuck In that mediocre range. I don't want a guy like that If It means paying him a shit load of money. It would be better than what we've had for over a decade now, but I want a winner. Honestly.. I've been watching more and more of his tape with all this hype on the guy, and he doesn't do anything that makes me think Mike White can't do just as good, If not better. Where Is Carr better than Mike White? For the sake of argument. I truly don't see anything that he does better. He Is better at staying healthy? I guess? I'm not sold. I'm just not. I'll keep watching tape and I'll keep trying to see It, I don't right now. I'm not wrong very often, I now you're not either. So, maybe I am missing something here but talking about the player himself, what he brings, I'm not seeing It.
The jets, for the first time in a long time, have established a young nucleus of players in what looks to be the start of a successful rebuild. Don’t ruin that by paying a high salary for a known loser in Carr. He’s an above average QB, and he would definitely be an upgrade over what the jets currently have, but I would continue to pursue drafting a franchise QB if it were me. Take a QB in the first round but also sign a good veteran who won’t break the bank, or maybe has a year or two left of production before the rookie can take over. What I wouldn’t do is sign a 32 year old who will expect to start for a long time, ask for $40 million a year, and is a guy we know for sure is not (and will not ever) compete with the top qbs in the league. I’ve seen the bills try every different type of qb the last 20 years. They tried quality veterans like Bledsoe and Fitzpatrick, decent placeholders like tyrod Taylor, they tried surrounding them with talent (a few times we had the number one defense and number one rushing attack) and we still never went anywhere. Drafting a first round qb is scary because a lot of them fail, but take it from someone who has now seen what a true franchise qb can do for your team, and trust me there is no substitute. Teams will never go anywhere not having one. The jets should be pursuing one at all costs, not settling for mediocrity because the risk of finding a franchise guy is scary.
