Rookie HC, rookie OC, rookie DC and rookie QB turned out to be a disaster

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  1. Jets-N-Terps

    Jets-N-Terps Well-Known Member

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    The backs were all hit before they got to the line of scrimmage on almost every run. when they know you can't pass, it makes defending the run pretty easy.
     
  2. Get me the Damn Ball

    Get me the Damn Ball Well-Known Member

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    Saleh should go before Douglas lol
     
  3. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think he would’ve made much of a difference but I agree. That’s a great revenge spot start.
     
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    Both should stay IMO.
     
  5. IIMeanDeanII

    IIMeanDeanII Well-Known Member

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    Oh, I agree completely but I'm talking In worst case scenarios, which we obviously qualify for... Does the law of averages not come into play for us at some point at least to bail us out of this atrocious streak? Ya know.. Just sucks.

    I don't care If It's calculated or lucky, let's just get a real fucking QB on this team soon.

    With, Zach. I can't go that route. I've said It from the beginning. I never thought he would be a good NFL starter In this league. Not ever have I thought that. I hoped for It, never seen anything that made me think he would be the guy to develop as our FQB. I just think he sucks, no amount of coaching will get him to where he needs to go. I just don't believe It. I think the CS knows It too at this point.

    If we were talking about Lawrence or Fields.. I'd be more susceptible to this debate. I just can't with, Zach. No way.

    I think the collective truly fucked the pooch and bought Into the non sense that the media was floating around, the pro day, blah, blah... I never bit but they did.

    So, evaluation wise.. Yeah, we can talk about that. I'd have a long convo about that.

    I love what JD has done, It's undeniable the improvement he has made on this team, outside of the QB position. I don't know that I trust him or this CS either to identify the proper QB they need. It's hard to say with that.
     
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  6. IIMeanDeanII

    IIMeanDeanII Well-Known Member

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    I'd double down and bet you the opposite. I don't believe that for a second. Zach Wilson was not all that and a bag of chips coming out of college like everyone thought.. There Is a reason why people like myself couldn't understand the infatuation for this kid and I refuse to believe that NFL scouts all across the board were that fooled too. I just don't buy It.
     
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  7. IIMeanDeanII

    IIMeanDeanII Well-Known Member

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    That will be the narrative with the media. They won't care much about accuracy, speculation sells, and there Is plenty of that now.

    I can't foresee a possibility where either are let go.
     
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    JETFUEL1580 Well-Known Member

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    I agree nor should either one be let go. They should both at this point be on the same page about Zach going forward. That was our biggest sticking point. No more.
     
  9. Jets79

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    GM and HC are staying…we just need competent QB play and that OL needs to be fixed
     
  10. JETFUEL1580

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    competent edge rusher
     
  11. red75bronco

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    I look at it this way, jets drafts 3 QBs top 3 in draft. None worked out. So they are either awful at licking talent at QB or awful at developing that talent once it is in the building. I believe the jets cannot develop a QB period. I think they ruin them. Everyone was better when they first started without much coaching than they were at the end of their Jets careers.
     
  12. red75bronco

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    Not disagreeing, what I am asking is what type of character does this team have in the locker room. They didn’t just quit on him, they quit on themselves and the fans. You would think if they wanted to make playoffs, they would have gave everything, made sure they could run the ball. They didn’t, they quit. That is a problem much greater than Zach. You can say anything, but using Zach as an excuse because you quit as a player and team is what quitters do and is the most SOJ thing ever. Crappy culture is still in the building.
     
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  13. GQMartin

    GQMartin Go 'Cuse

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    They fucked up drafting this potato in the first place.

    I worded my post poorly
     
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    Yeah I kinda wondered that, thinking this would be a great game to have him motivated (and was asked this by the JAGS fans I was watching with)
    I'm guessing something behind the scenes (maybe bum knee, Jags traded him for a reason).... hope it was more than the draft escalator, but we mentioned that at the time too.
     
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  15. Ralebird

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    I would probably keep both but provided that 40-50% of their staff was replaced. The problem is who is in a position to know where the weakest links are in both staffs? We saw little to no change a year ago and that was a big mistake and a waste of time.

    We don't know, but the people inside the organization know how much everyone was involved with keeping Wilson on the field. Those most responsible are those that need to be looking over their shoulders.
     
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  16. Jets81

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    We have people talking about this guy being our backup next season.

    And FWIW a QB can make an OL look terrible. Feel like that’s never mentioned much around these parts.
     
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    Then he said “now at the end of the day the best players will always play, you know that”.

    No, coach, we don’t know that. At least it hasn’t been the case this season and it cost your team a much more comfortable position in the playoff picture.
     
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  18. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    That's exactly what a blatant Patriots mouthpiece is expected to say in this situation.
     
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  19. jilozzo

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    being owners for 20+ years the Johnsons SHOULD have put their feet down and demand a skilled veteran presence on the sideline with regard to the offense AND the player u just selected at #2.

    doesn't matter the tragedy (Knapp) involved, u have to adapt.

    especially after the darnold fiasco.

    Could you folks imagine the 21 players we could put on the field if we didn't take 2 top five QB's within the last few years. Geez.

    too bad the rams got mayfield. I think even he could have been an option at this point (if white remains out).
     
  20. jilozzo

    jilozzo Well-Known Member

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    ken obrien was an expert at that unfortunately......and on the flip side marino was perfect for even an average OL.
     
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