Bulger is 1-2 in the postseason and Chad is 2-3. Brees led his team to a first round bye which Chad has never done.
one of the reasons we have no running game is because safeties play where they want and not where Chad's arm strength would dictate, if he had any.
it's a pretty fair list i would agree with mostly. only those with green glasses can't seem to see the limitations of cp. he's a smart qb with almost no physical skills. noodle armed and has to play near perfect football to win.
Are you kidding me, that is a horrible list. I can certainly see the limitations of Chad but he is clearly better than a few on that list. No matter his limitations you cannot put Kitna, Romo, Carr, Smith ahead of Chad, I wouldn't even put Rivers ahead of him YET..
I think the limitations that Kitna and Carr have are due to playing on a bad team as opposed to them being that bad. I would like to think they can throw a ten yard pass and watch Cotchery run 66 yards and make it look good on a stat sheet. At least with them I would not have to suffer through safties playing on the line of scrimmage and Lb's jumping in the backfield to pick off backward passes. I want the post and the Fly to be a play that is not in the back of our playbook never to be seen again!
Put the jets in the NFC and the Jets get first rd byes, the Jets and Saimts had the SAME record this year and the Saints got smacked around by AFC teams. Bulger beat the Seattle Seahwaks in the playoffs and has lost to Carolina at home and got crushed at Atlanta. Chad has crushed Indy and won at 12-4 SD while losing close at 15-1 Pitt and losing closer games than the score indicated at Oak and NE- games that got away late. You think Brees would have a bye in the AFC w/ that Siants team? They got beat up by the AFC losing 3 of 4. You don't think our '02, '04 or '06 Jets team could have had a first rd bye in at least 2 of those years? the NFC has been a joke for many, many years. There have been FIVE 8-8 teams make the playoffs since 1999.
Chad slides in after a healthy Ben. Carr has had good offensiv talent around him but has not gotten it done consistently, Smith is getting better an could be better, favre is not close to Chad at this point, Romo? is this a joke? Kitna did what on the Lions? mcnair was great.
You can't put qbs that you think will be successful in this league ahead of Chad if they havent don it yet because if we went by that then Chad would be a top qb and the next Montana when we gave those compairsons to him in 02. So only put qbs that right now are better then him and have shown that. So you can keep young, cutler, alex smith, maybe even romo, he had a few good games and came back to earth when teams figured him out. QBS better than Chad: Peyton Brady Palmer McNabb Favre McNair Everyone else is dabatable, and I am not sure about McNair on my list but I will put him up there.
This can't be part of any reasoned or well thought out argument. What would your response be to people who wanted to talk down on the Jets because of their schedule this year? What's next the "if Chad was on Rams they would've won 12 games this year" argument? Their accomplishments are what they are, Brees hasn't won a playoff game in 1 appearance but he's now lead his team to 2 division titles and a 1st round bye this year. I don't know junc, the Saints don't play in the AFC. If we're still talking about Brees I don't what you're bringing up the past for as Brees was playing in the same conference as Pennington until this year. Do you think the 04 Chargers could've gotten a first round bye in the NFC? These silly questions prove nothing.
Since we're talking hypotheticals, the Jets would be placed in the NFC East. The Jets were not better than the Eagles this year. They probably weren't better than the Cowboys. They are better than the Giants. The Jets would have been a 5 or 6 seed in the NFC, also. RE: the Saints record. They didn't try to win the Week 17 game. Guys like Jamaal Branch and Fred McAfee (who was a rookie in 1991) were carrying the ball in that game. The starters came out very early. The Saints were a 10-5 team this year that didn't care if they went 11-5 or 10-6. They were locked into a seed prior to their regular season finale. If the Saints needed the game they would have won and would be 11-5. They almost won the game as it was with all sorts of backups and guys off the street playing. The Saints played Pittsburgh even. They were pounded by the Ravens. I did not watch the Cincinnati game, so can't comment there.
Two things: First I wouldn't put any of the unproven guys ahead of Chad right now. There is a reason I don't have Rivers and Young ahead of him, and that is that Chad has shown he is an NFL QB over a period of seasons now. Second, there's no good comparison for Ben Roethlisberger at this point in his career. He was so good in a controlled offense in 2004 and 2005, and won so many games in it (26 regular season wins and just 6 losses) that he pretty much invalidates all of the other comparisons. I don't know that any QB in history won more games as a rookie and second year player than he did. As to 2006, well it was not a very pretty season. That's kind of to be expected when you are nearly killed in a motorcycle accident a month and a half before camp opens and wind up with a 9 inch laceration to the back of the head and multiple facial fractures. The concussion watch will still be going on next camp given the double-vision he experienced on several occasions this season after hard hits. Where he goes from here is not clear but the odds on him making the hall of fame are huge. That's kind of where rookie QB's who make the playoffs and second year players who win a Super Bowl wind up most of the time. You could look it up.
Roethlisberger's stats in winning Super Bowl XL. (Your telling me he's better then Chad? or Chad can't win a Super Bowl?) QB RATING 22.6 COMPLETIONS 9 ATTEMPTS 21 YARD 123 INTERCEPTIONS 2 TD's 0 YPC 5.9 Pathetic, Steelers derailed in 2004 because of Ben and won in 2005 despite him.
Steelers were championship contenders for many years because of their running scheme and great O-line development, they had 3 guys who can break to the 3rd level anytime and they were all different, those 2 years any QB would have succeeded for them and heck Tommy Maddox succeeded the year before in that offense, TOMMY MADDOX!!!!!! before he got injured and started a self destruct conduct, when he was smiling when getting his 3rd interception in the game.
did I say Tommy Maddox? pathetic. I missed what I wanted to write, who has more heart than Chad????? more desire to succeed???? who? maybe Brees, maybe Peyton and his consecutive failures in the playoffs, but Vick? no, Delhomme? no, Eli? no, Brady? he doesnt care anymore, maybe McNair yeah McNair, but my point here is that most QB's quit on their Head Coaches and their systems, they quit on their offensive lines and receivers, and most of them stay for a couple of years only to get replaced later (even when they have good systems) for guys who have a desire to shine and be the in the glory like Favre and Elway and even Brady (didnt want to put him in yuck!) but Chad has hold even when he gets injured, he stands up and get back and keep trying to get into the playoffs even when he knows that he doesnt have a good, stable system, even when he knows that his velocity isnt there, he keeps on fighting. So I'll like better to see Weak Arm Chad than those losers like Delhomme who has a better receiver core, Vick who has a better running group, Eli, and most of the other QB's of the league.
Who I would most want starting for my team (based on present ability, not future potential): 1. Peyton Manning 2. Tom Brady 3. Drew Brees 4. Carson Palmer 5. Marc Bulger 6. Matt Hasselbeck 7. Michael Vick (I honestly believe coaching has held him back) 8. Chad Pennington 9. Steve McNair 10. Roethlisburger 11. Leinart, Young, or Cutler
Maybe you should become a Raiders fan, worked very well for them! Let's sign Jeff George and Randy Moss and we will have a guaranteed SuperBowl:lol: The bottom line is all this discussion about the QB position is stupid. We don't have to address it this offseason, it will be Chad or if Clemens is better it will be him, bottom line. Besides, if Chad wasn't the QB who are you going to bitch about, Vilma, Rhodes, or Coles it seems like it has to be someone who is a key part of the team.
