if your interested https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17653521/how-total-qbr-calculated-explain-our-improved-qb-rating and https://www.pro-football-reference.com/about/qb-rating.htm
As I said before about Zach, the kid is still in his learning stage. He played in a light weight college system that never faced the speed and strenght of NFL players. Give the fucking kid a chance. Geno Smith has been in the league 10 years and finally figured it out. Everyone just chill on Zach. His arm strength and leg speed are enough to warrent giving him a couple of years. In the meanwhile just continue to run the ball and have him play error free football. The problem with people on this board is that they want a Mahomes style growth which is an aberration in the NFL. Most QBs take time to develop. I have been a Jet fan since the Namath days and for all the hype about Namath he threw a fuck load of interceptions, same with Todd and the littany of other shitty QBs the Jets have had.
Mahomes needed to sit for almost a whole year to learn how to play the more disciplined style the NFL requires. What made his learning curve shorter was having a great offensive minded HC in Reid, and being on a team with a lot of talent around him. Zach had none of these advantages. Even so, he is showing that he can change his style from the more wide open BYU version to the NFL style, and he now does have much better talent around him than he did his first year, although much of that talent is also young and learning. Given all of that, Wilson is doing what he needs to do, and the CS fully knows this which is why anyone calling for Zach to be replaced is completely out of touch.
I'll just enjoy the ride we got for now and hope to see the offense and zach evolve into something great. The way Zach played against the Pats vs Bills was night and day. I'm honestly impressed that he came back after having a horrible game against the pats and then playing good enough against a top 3 team. Not a lot of young QBs can do that. But also credit to the coaching staff on that.
Was there ever any official justification for that call from the NFL? That struck me watching live as perhaps the most assanine single call I've ever seen. Mosley didn't hit him helmet to helmet AND whatever QB in the pocket protections the QB is supposed to get ran out miles back.
I agree with your first paragraph but from there on out I can only disagree, although I don't believe our positions are too far apart, if that's possible.. The recent plan has been to do whatever is necessary to control the ball with the run and limiting pass sequences to what the QB is comfortable with and can actually accomplish. It's been quite successful so far and rather than lying in tatters looks to be growing stronger by the week. What it doesn't do is develop the quarterback unless eliminating many challenges a full menu of plays would can be called development. The bottom line for now is that the plays called are plays that have been demonstrated to be not only possible but quite successful with the roster available. I don't give a rat's ass about Sanchez and Schottenheimer who represent only the past.
so it’s interesting now…since we’ve won more games than expected and the playoffs are a possibility, I think the game plans need to prioritize winning over developing a young QB. So what I mean by that is let’s run the ball and find plays that Zach can execute well like against Buffalo with the quick hits no think passes. We have a playoff shot, we gotta take it, and letting Zach throw 40 times is not the best way to win…he can’t do it yet. So let’s roll with what works and let him develop along the way. im not sold on Zach but if he can deliver more games like Buffalo and NO more games like NE that’ll go a long way. He has shown flashes but he also has much to improve on…but if we can get him where he’s comfortable and develop over time that works for me…
Winning games the way we have been with Zach at QB is not incompatible with his development, in fact it's part of his development. The more he learns to follow the script given him - stay in the pocket, quick passes, timely use of his legs to gain yardage - he'll improve and gain confidence, as well as the confidence of his teammates and CS. He's got elite tools and these aren't going to diminish by following this formula, and when the time is right he'll be able to fully employ these tools.
Do people really think coaches are asking these other young QB's to make these complicated reads? The young QBs that are successful the OC has given them easy reads and principles.
Zach has been an anomaly this season. He has the team winning. He is 5 - 1, and could have been 6 - 0 without the dubious roughing call. His overall play has been mediocre at best, but somehow he seems to rise to the occasion when our backs are to the wall. Truthfully, I went from a huge Zach supporter to being somewhat of a doubter to now simply having no clue if he can be the FQB. I just have to tell myself - patience grasshopper.
Yeah that is me as well…his completion rate has been a huge concern for me no question. But yeah he’s shown flashes, and he has been money in key situations, most notably that 4th quarter in Pitt. He can make some crazy tight throws and then he can miss wide open guys and it makes me go man just hit the receiver when open. he needs to cut out the just plain stupid shit like running backwards for 20 yards and throwing up lob balls for easy picks…that shit has to go. But he looked much better against Buffalo by stepping into the pocket and rifling throws in there. It looked like they coaches that during the week and he took it to heart so that’s promising. he still can’t read the field well and there are open guys he either doesn’t see or just decides to pass up on. So hopefully that will come. Shit, Brady made a killing throwing 7 yard passes to the likes of Edelman. It’s ok to take the easy completion. but yeah, he has the physical ability to make it…he just needs to show the capacity to do it. time will tell…after NE game I was like man he just can’t get there…Buffalo was a nice bounce back in many ways…he played better, he made clutch throws, and he showed the mental toughness to bounce back. So hope we can build on that
The rest of the team is performing at a level where if ZW just manages the game and makes no mistakes we have a good chance to win. That's the formula that has worked for us with similar talent in similar circumstances in the past. I'm pretty sure that the party comes to an end if the Jets try to open things up so I'm just hoping that they're smart enough to realize that and keep things buttoned down. For the people wondering whether ZW can build on what is going on now and become a good FQB - well the record is short on QB's that did that. Not that it hasn't been done before but it's a low percentage chance that typically has taken 5+ years and 2+ teams to accomplish.
IDK. I don't really follow other teams or QBs so I couldn't say how they develop them, but I do know that certain teams always seem to "find" good QBs, which to me means they know how spot talent and develop it properly. That's something the Jets never did since the days of Namath. But I do think they have a handle on it now, although they're also learning as they go so there are some "speed bumps". I think they've finally figured out what works the best for developing Zach at this point...at least I hope they have.
Blewett spends 3 hours (if your an X Factor member) breaking down Wilson's film against the Bills. I have not made it all the way through it yet but it should certainly help me make it through my workday. Nice breakdown, at least so far, of mechanics and poor mechanics, decision making and Wilson making good reads. I love the throw to Berrios on 3rd and 2 such an underrated hard throw and quick processing. https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/11/09/ny-jets-position-upset-bills-film/
You can't include Namath in any evaluation of QB development. He was the Marino of his day - a natural who was going to blow away the competition from day one and that's what he did. Joe Burrow is one of those also. However they are few and far between and you only luck into them.
I included Namath more to underscore how the Jets have failed for decades to develop QBs. And if you don't "luck" into them you'd better be able to ID and develop them.
I was as pro-Wilson as anyone, but we're entering very tricky territory with him. He basically has to play phenomenally the rest of the year for the cumulative year 1+2 numbers to make us feel optimistic about him beyond that. It's too early to say, but I'm thinking our best move this offseason will likely be to keep Wilson, draft another QB somewhere in rounds 1-4, and have a truly open competition for the starting job.
