There are people saying Zach has a high ceiling if he can only get more consistent. That's wrong. This is a young QB who had a high ceiling and struggled with consistency (which even still is a sign that the QB will never make it, what Geno's doing now is very rare). Zach has never come close to that level; his supposed "ceiling" is a relic of his college days.
Belichick was never going to let LaFleur establish a run game. It would have been three-and-out after three-and-out. If we had a normal QB, we would have carved up the Pats defense. But LaFleur's hands are tied behind his back because he has a QB who can't consistently make throws. So his options were either to run the ball and go nowhere or hope Zach could execute, which he tried and Zach couldn't.
Great! But nobody said anything at all about "abandoning" anyone. How simplistic for anyone to equate sitting a guy for a quarter to abandoning him; and not at all honest in responding to a post. The rest of the guys want to win and I doubt if more than a couple care who the QB is as long as he's not costing them games.
How about the term FQB is banned here in regards to Wilson until November next year? If he does almost a complete turnaround, a year will still be too short a time to start believing he will sustain it. Nobody becomes a franchise quarterback in less than a season.
I don’t disagree, although to the poster above’s point Belichek was not letting us run on them. He went all in on making Zach make the right decisions because he knows Zach can’t. MLF called a damn near flawless passing game in that almost every play the initial reads were open. The player has to do his job. If he’s incapable then it’s incumbent on the team to put someone who is capable in the game. We can go on to blame MLF if he’s failing with a better QB, but it’d be lunacy to place the blame of Zach’s failings on MLF. Zach is failing because he’s not comprehending basic NFL football concepts. Why he can’t grasp it is irrelevant. Throw in terrible mechanics and terrible accuracy and it gets ugly fast. JD took a swing. With how bad the prospects have been in these last 2 drafts I don’t blame him for trying. But he’s built a very good team, he needs to act fast at the QB position or his window will pass.
Completely agree with you. Zach has been averaging 25 attempts in his first 4 games prior to the Breece Hall injury. Why put so much extra pressure on him in such a huge game. Furthermore, the Patriots gave up 243 rushing yards to the Bears last Monday. Why bail on the running game so soon? Hopefully now that Robinson has another week with the playbook the run game will be more prevalent this week.
Dan Marino comes to mind. Are Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow "franchise quarterbacks? Is Dak one? Definitions vary... but I can say one thing with certainty... Zach ain't... at least not yet.
None of those guys, particularly Marino, did enough in their rookie year to be called an FQB. Herbert probably came the closest. I probaly would count less than a dozen playing today, that certainly does not include ZW. I also don't buy into anyone being called a "future franchise quarterback." Either a guy is or he isn't - we'll know when he gets there. I tried Googling "who was the first franchise quarterback" and couldn't even find claims to anyone but found plenty of predraft claims of who would be - many are almost laughable with the benefit of real history now included.
Marino was selected to the Pro Bowl as a rookie and set several records his first year. Went 7-2 in games he started and took the Dolphins to the playoffs. Shula totally changed his offense to suit Marino's talent... I'm pretty sure they knew what they had early on. But the whole "franchise quarterback" thing is thrown about too much... talent & leadership defines it. Draft position shouldn't...
Just putting it out there but if this team doesn't make the playoffs this season? It'll be because of ZACH WILSON. It's Zach that's holding this team back. Not Elijah Moore or anyone else. Zach needs to unfuck himself and start performing like the 2nd overall pick... .
Regarding Burrow that is exactly what I said I am not sure what you are arguing about. The only thing I was arguing is that Zach's completion percentage is skewed and I believe it is. I have never seen any QB throw the ball as much as he does. Rookie year was rookie year. People act like he did not complete a pass against the Pats when in reality he made some great throws threw for 355 yards and 2 TDs. He did throw those three killer and 2 stupid interceptions. You can't do that in the NFL. His completion percentage is flawed because he is throwing the ball away at a very high rate. That is also what won us the Packer and Broncos game. He can't win around here unless he plays the perfect game. We expect Zach to look like pro bowler week 4 of his second season. He played a great game against Miami and got shit. Won the Pitt game was not good enough. Managed the game against the best passing defenses and got shit. Zachs problem is I think he was reading these forums and all the shit he was taking for playing it safe. Unfortunately throwing up that hope ball has back fired. He has a lot of cleaning up to do but not insurmountable things. Like I said if he just runs more and takes a sack or two things will be better. Scoring and QB play is way down this season. Patience my friends. It takes awhile to learn to play QB. Very few QBs are nothing more than game managers their first couple of years. Example Brady- game manager Rodgers- held the ball to long If he keeps throwing up hope balls and doing his Tarkindton impression. Iay change my mind. He plays the game manager role making a big throw when needed and runs more I will be encouraged. Ie the 4 game winning streak Zach. Keep this is mind. Zach gave the game away and we were still in this game late I. 4th quarter. Carters TD stands we would be talking how well Zach played. Here is hoping Zach's play better situational football against the Bills
Not sure what you are talking about. You use pick and choose stats that are irrelevant. In fact you have one opinion after watching the game then as times goes on forever about you watched and quote obscure stats. Burrow and Herbert are not playing as well as they did last season is fact. They are really not playing that great this season for a variety of reasons. That has nothing to do with Zach. You and others harp on about completion percentage and I think that stat is very flawed on they asking Zach to play. He throws away more balls that I have ever seen so I think that stat is misleading. Just like throwing for 300 yards it was and is a stupid bench mark. Zach is not inaccurate in fact he is very accurate. Zach is young and dumb and has bought into the hype of these different arm angle throws. When Zach throw ls on time and in rythmn he is very good. When he throw off his back foot (first INT and the Int in Pitt) the ball sails. His different arm angle throws are accurate as long as he steps into his throw. Zach has 5 picks Pitt1- EM runs a lazy route Pitt 2 - off balance side arm throw sails high NE- off balance throw Sails pick NE2- hold the ball to long does not throw it far enough out of bounds-Stupid NE3-Worst pick I have seen since Favre launched one against the eagles in overtime. I am not trying to defend Zach but to put things in context. He will get better he is young. This stage in his career he needs to be more Tannehill than Favre and he can.
To be Tannehill as opposed to Favre Zach would need to have a good grasp on basic NFL concepts. Zach has had the opportunity to be Tannehill all year. Play concepts are working, the designed receivers are getting open. Zach isn’t seeing them because he doesn’t understand those concepts. So he can’t be Tannehill right now. Problem is he can’t be Favre either because he’s even worse when he goes off script and he doesn’t have the frame to take the punishment. Ironically you do have the right team, just the wrong QB. What Zach needs to be is Malik Willis, learning on the bench and studying the basics of NFL football before ever seeing the field.
I appreciate the point you're trying to make but I disagree with his first INT being his "worst of the day". I've said it before, it was a terrible play and I'm not trying to diminish the play by any means, but it was a dumb young QB mistake that you can live with and hope he grows from. He got some pressure in his face and tried to throw the ball to a wide open Ty Johnson, most likely for a 1st down that keeps the chains moving and gives us a chance at some more points before the half. But he let the pressure get to him, started to back pedal a bit, and threw the ball off of his back foot which caused it to sail on him. He's got to learn to set his feet, eat that hit that's going to come off of the edge, and move on to the next play. The 2nd and 3rd picks were inexcusable IMO. His 2nd one was on a 1st & 10, down 19-10, with 2:31 to go in the 3rd quarter. 1st play of a drive. Just chuck that thing into the bleachers man. There's absolutely no reason to keep that ball anywhere near the sideline. Find BB and throw that ball directly at his face (kidding obviously). There was plenty of time left in this game to mount a comeback but this one set us even further behind the 8 ball. HIs 3rd one was on a 3rd & 7, still down 19-10, with 12:08 to go in the game. It's obvious he was just pressing and trying to play hero ball after throwing 2 back-breaking INTs in the game. We've got the ball at midfield here. Worst case, throw this ball away and we can either try to pin the Pats deep or go for it on 4th down. He has Jeff Smith wide open underneath on this play too. Maybe he doesn't get the 1st, maybe he does. Either way, it's either a 1st down or its 4th and 1 or 2 at midfield. Much more manageable situation. All that to say, all 3 of his picks were terrible plays by any NFL standard. His first pick was at least the right decision so I can at least understand it and hope it helps his development, which is why IMO it's the least egregious one of the day. The other 2 are just idiotic decisions that should've been snuffed out in HS. Bottom line is Zach HAS to play better going forward. Stop back-peddling so much, learn to set your feet in the pocket and take a hit if necessary, and learn how to scramble while not giving up so much ground and putting your OL in an impossible situation.
I agree with you strongly. You CAN see talent. You CAN see good to great throws. Taking short yardage sacks or scrambling and taking what is in front of you would change his trajectory dramatically.
If you make half of those throw aways a step up into the pocket and a scramble FORWARD like they probably should have been, he is probably 5-0 this year. That would have eliminated 2 int's on Sunday...
