Former 49er QB Steve Young, who like Zach was also 6'2" in height, after retirement admitted to not being able to see the entire field from the pocket. This led to Young scrambling often and gaining over 4,200 rushing yards in his career. And this was 20 years ago, when defensive players were probably on average 1/2"-1" shorter and maybe not quite as fast and strong as they are today. Pocket passers in today's game, who are not running QBs, ideally need to be at least 6'4" in height, unless they are extremely accurate and have impeccable timing like a Drew Brees. Unfortunately, Zach's accuracy, timing, football IQ and game planning is nowhere near the level of a Brees. Zach is getting lost in the pocket, even when it is relatively well protected and not collapsing. Zach also lacks the running speed and elusiveness of similar sized QBs (such Lamar and Deshaun), who can use their legs to gain positive yardage on a designed run, or get out of trouble when a play hits the skids. So while Zach at 6-2 may not be a small specimen, lacking an extra couple of inches goes a long way towards not fully optimizing his pocket passing skills.
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Yeah I still don’t see him throwing bad picks being a result of him being 6’2” or not as tall as others. He’s not current Russell Wilson who really hasn’t shown an ability to throw over the middle unless he sees it. I see inexperience and not trusting fully yet.
I think even NFL coaches can struggle with evaluation but I will say that ownership has more of an impact than you realize. In the Jets case they can't bench Zach Wilson or the doofus ambassador would be asking lots of questions
When veteran qbs are around for 6 years and can’t cement a starting job for other teams it says something about their limitations. Is he capable of bringing in some excitement get team pumped up like he did in pre-season? I’m sure he can, but we have Flacco who is a veteran and SB winning QB who was getting the players involved in the game and he still was not the answer, what is Streveler going to bring as journey man that Flacco can’t do? When I think of journey man, I’m looking at another NFL caliber QB that is younger and has potential to help team make playoffs and possibly more. I don’t think Streveler is better than Flacco and when teams start to actually prepare for him his limitations will be exposed.
Drew Brees didn't get the memo that short guys suck. Yes it would be great if he was taller but not buying that as the excuse. He's locking onto GW and Conklin and those guys have played well but BB knew in advance who he needed to defend.
I don't want to get into the defense of Pickett but one thing we can agree on is that Pickens is now a worthy #52 draft pick WR and he never got the ball, ala Elijah Moore, when Trubisky was playing.
I'll defend Pickett. He looks worlds better than Zach. The guys first 4 starts were, at Buffalo, vs Tampa, at Miami, and at Phily. That's brutal and he's always playing from behind with a terrible o-line. But even with all that you can already tell he's a better QB than Zach is right now. We'd be lucky to have him.
My point is that if Flacco was playing under center yesterday, with 16 + pressures, which is utterly disgraceful, he would have had over 8 sacks and find no one. As it was Wilson and Conklin were Zach most productive receivers. Look, am I happy with Zach's performance, hell no, a couple of the throw aways interceptions were very careless. But the problem is a lot deeper than Zach and it starts with the OC, the loss of Hall, the feebly OL and until that gets fixed we are going nowhere. And you guys can root for White or Steveler all day long, neither has remotely the tools that Zach has, nor will they be successful behind this line and game plan. Saleh need to show less team grope and more balls and put his foot down with the game plan, we must help the QB grow behind a solid pocket and a game plan that plays to our players strength.
So what's the point here. People want a change because they think White is better than Zach which I completely disagree, but not play him against the top teams, and instead we keep Zach against Buffalo and shit all over him when he gets flushed out of the pocket 20 times, then demote him when we play say Chicago? Lord this is nuts.
Aren't pressures somewhat a function of how fast the QB gets rid of the ball and how they move in the pocket? My point being that diff qb's would have diff number of pressures given identical OL play. I've see worse OL play than yesterday--I'd say it was a little below average but not terrible. Also as @apjbfc pointed out in the Tunsil thread, there is a HUGE wildcard regarding to what degree is ZW assisting blocking assignments/ changing out of bad plays that I'd expect Flacco to be able to do.
This is where Lafleur shows his inexperience as well, MC the first is still a good back, there is no need to abandon the running game, keep hammering away with two tight end formations and help Wilson. Based on what I have read here and have been told by you guys Jets are 5-3 because Wilson did just enough as a QB while Breece was the emphasis. There is no need to go away from that blueprint regardless of who they play, stick with what has been working for Wilson and Jets offense.
imagine being this arrogant about your qb evaluation skills after being so wrong about lamar jackson, josh allen, sam darnold, justin herbert, zach wilson and probably more i dont care to search for
Yes you're right I'm sure career backup Mike White who has thrown 8 interceptions in 4 games and showed almost no ability to play QB outside of one game is the answer.
Teams learned real quick if you take away the dump off Mike White is fucked, he’s not the answer. Not looking good for Zach either but he got the rest of the year to redeem himself.
