Zach Wilson (MERGED) - All new Zach threads will be merged here after a day

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  1. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps, but we'll see. I always do me. Zach showed what he was capable of vs the Titans last year, even when he didn't know the offense all that well and hadn't improved in other areas. IMO MLF is using Zach in a way that exposes all his flaws and capitalizes on none of his strengths. In short, based on the way they're using Zach, they might as well have traded down and taken Mac Jones.
     
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    Part of me agrees with that, but part of me doesn't. At least if he had 4-300 yd games, the media and the fanbase wouldn't be trashing him, and they'd become believers that he is the franchise QB we've been looking for. There has to be a happy medium where we can win or mostly win and still take the reins off of Zach and tailor the offense to how he plays.
     
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    Here's an article that might give some perspective on how long it takes to become a FQB:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/03/sports/football/the-education-of-the-packers-aaron-rodgers.html

    EDIT: Here are some pieces from the article for those who can't access it.

    Now, as the best player on the N.F.L.’s last undefeated team, as perhaps the best quarterback in a league defined by the position, Rodgers recalls those days with a certain anti-Allen Iverson fondness. Yes, he is talking about practice when he says, “Those first three years were critical to my success.”
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    Yet, Rigsbee also noticed an intensity in Rodgers, an “inner burn” often masked by what teammates now describe as Rodgers’s natural, goofy bent. It is more than Rodgers’s simply hating to lose. According to his backup, Matt Flynn, when Rodgers is defeated by fullback John Kuhn in card games, he gives Kuhn the silent treatment, for hours, even days.

    I included this because in the pre-draft analyses there were numerous mentions of Zach's competitive drive, being pissed off is he lost ping pong games to his roommate.
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    Coach Mike McCarthy arrived in Rodgers’s second season, and he recognized the talent that spent Sundays holding clipboards. Since 1993, McCarthy has charted quarterbacks in five footwork drills that rate agility and movement. In his three backup seasons, Rodgers improved most in those areas, McCarthy said, to where he now ranks “at the top of all of them.”

    In what McCarthy calls his Quarterback School, Rodgers concentrated on tuning his fine motor skills: hand-eye coordination, finger dexterity, mechanics. He also lowered where he held the ball for a smoother, more consistent motion.

    I included this to underscore the importance of even a guy with great natural ability having to master subtle aspects of the position, and also the need to have someone who can teach these working closely with him and not just expecting him to learn it by "osmosis".
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    Between Rodgers’s second and third seasons, Quarterback School consisted of 10 hours in the film room and 3 hours on the practice field a week, an offensive study conducted in “painstaking detail,” Clements said.

    Eventually, Rodgers focused less on learning the Packers’ offense and more on clarifying why defenses ran certain coverages, schemes or fronts. Now, when Rodgers drops back to pass, he does not look for his receivers. He looks for defenders, where they are, where they might move, what that means or could mean. Then he throws for receivers headed toward open space.

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    While Packers fans fretted over the transition, Harris said: “We weren’t worried. We already knew how good he was.” Now, Thompson said, the same fans who cursed him when Favre departed occasionally apologize.
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    Rodgers, though, does not see his path as a blueprint for quarterback development. He notes how impressed he has been with Cam Newton in Carolina and Andy Dalton in Cincinnati, two rookies off to impressive starts. But he also pointed to Alex Smith of San Francisco as an example of a quarterback who needed to overcome a revolving door of offensive coordinators to begin to realize his potential.

    To wait or not to wait depends more on the team around a young quarterback, McCarthy said. Rodgers added, “When you’ve gone through it the way I’ve been through it, you realize you’re not ready.”
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    That’s the funny thing about development. In Rodgers’s case, years of apprenticeship culminated in one week last February. He won the Super Bowl, got the car, returned home to California and went golfing.
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    I hope that captures the gist. The Bottom line is, one way or the other, it takes time to become a good, if not great, NFL QB. And even with a great teacher like McCarthy it takes time. Mike LaFleur is no Mike McCarthy when it comes to knowing how to develop QBs.
     
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    I agree that if Zach plays better it increases our chances of making the playoffs this season. If they'll stop trying to make him into a pocket passer and play to his strengths, he WILL start playing better.
     
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    Nania's week 7 grade for Wilson is in and it is his lowest grade since the Falcon game.

    https://jetsxfactor.com/2022/10/26/ny-jets-zach-wilson-denver-broncos/

    I have to agree with Nania's negative conclusion. I am not going to draw definate conclusions from 2 bad games. Instead I will wait for a larger sampling of data. But these two performances are concerning and I will just point out it is a bad trend. I hope to see a rebound this week. How our QB responds to adversity like this is likely more important than individual points of data like this game. Will we see an improved, focused and confident Zach this week? How will MLF respond?
     
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    I don't disagree with any of that. Hoping they figure it out.
     
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    You would rather them develop Wilson than make the playoffs and end the longest drought in the league by far?

    I think if they make the playoffs, Wilson will be developing, and odds are Melijah Moore will be a contributor.
     
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    I knew there’d be at least one that agreed with this lol.
     
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    NO. Joe Douglas will not go out and get a quarterback this year. Ther is zero chance they bring in another quarterback this year.
     
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    brevity is the soul of wit.
     
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    Chez threw 20 pix in his first 15 games ...12 td
    Zach has 13 in 17 and 10td
     
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    the stat is rigorous. About efficiency. 50 means giving your team a 50 percent chance of winning.
    Scale of 100. Easy to digest.
     
  16. dmw

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    I agree. They should upgrade to Zach Wilson with greater wisdom and more experience, which they will get each time he plays.
     
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    Wasn't he 32nd last season?
     
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    I meant for next season. Definitely not this year
     
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    Who is Chez?
     
  20. Nyjets4eva

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    Sanchez? I’m just guessing that would make sense if we are thinking of QBs idk
     
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