Let’s rewind a bit. You stated the DL looked better on paper and still disappointed and implied it was the CS fault. You then acknowledge our biggest signing spent all year on IR. Do you see the problem with that? Regarding getting what we were looking for, I don’t think counts as getting a player if he spends the year on IR. But sure, we got him and he didn’t play a snap… must be the scheme.
I would have hired a new coaching staff first, nail down the expectations, not some quick band aid fix to improve, work hand in glove with them to rank and stack the type of players we should prioritize and target based on the game style the team will execute, be it speed, finesse, size up front versus agility, run versus pass preference, 4-3, 3-4 what ever the case might be. In essence what was done a year later, finally. I find it incorrect to assume that JD did not coordinate and accept inputs from Gase to alleviate his major concerns. But in so doing, we did not optimize for the long run. So those who blame JD In total for the draft have at it, but it changes nothing, Had Saleh or whomever selected being there instead of Gase I feel strong it would have been a different free agency and a draft. At least it would have been based on a long term plan to improve this team in earnest. Not a near term band aid.
Imo that would be been a tough sell. JD needed to let J&J see for themselves that Gase was trash. Drafting the players that Gase thought would “fit his scheme” imo is what JD needed to do to make sure there were no doubts. On a side note, were there any good HCs hired that year? I don’t remember anyone interesting available.
Man, it was the worst defense in franchise history lol. I'm not exactly going out on a limb by saying that there were problems all across the board with it. The only way I could excuse coaching and scheme from any blame would MAYBE be if the talent was expansion team-level, and it wasn't. The DL brought back all the same players and added Rankins. The LBs saw the return of Mosley, the addition of Q, and the same guys otherwise. The safeties were worse, due to injury. The CBs were ostensibly better since Hall likely improved and the coaches didn't think enough of Bless Austin to bring him back. 3/4 defensive units either brought back the same players or brought back the same players+added talent. You don't go from average defense to worst in franchise history just because your safeties got worse while the other 3 units stayed the same or improved. You begin your post by taking issue with me saying the system and coaching were bad and then end your post by saying the change in system caused the regression. I don't get it.
When JD came on board, Sam deserved another year to show what he could do. And I can see the argument that, if Sam's 3rd year was going to be a real evaluation, you would sabotage him by changing coaching staffs and putting him under the microscope while the offense is figuring out a new CS and a new scheme. If Sam and Gase had panned out in 2020, then Jets world would be in a good place, because the Jets could have used their 2021 1st round pick on something other than a QB, and the Jets would be that much closer to being competitive. But they didn't pan out, so we went a different direction, and we have a lot of reasons to be hopeful. You can't always be certain who will pan out, and when you have made a big investment in someone (QB or HC), I think you let that play itself out before you move on.
Excellent points.He needed to be in purgatory for one year to appease J&J. I don’t know if he could have gotten a top candidate in year one. I suspect with his contacts he might have, but that’s history.
I honestly don’t get what you don’t get. I had a friend in high school who wanted to buy a Supra. Took the thing for a test drive and totaled it. He was a good driver and there was nothing wrong with the car. The thing is, he wasn’t used to that much power. You seem to want to lay blame on either the coaching staff or the players but the fact is, in life it takes time to get used to new things. If we don’t see noticeable improvements this year, I’d be happy to readdress the topic.
that’s very illogical. Gase brought Douglas in as they had worked together in years past. Let’s get that clear For your scenario to be true: - Douglas would’ve joined the Jets organization at the request of Adam Gase, whom he worked with before. -just to want to prove Adam Gase sucked so he could hire someone he never worked with before
Why are you under the impression that a guy who was so slight after that the Eagles wouldn’t let him interview with other teams only came here because of Gase because they worked together for one year? Logic would dictate otherwise. Logic can be tricky though.
Or… now hear me out. Possibly. Just possibly. JD wanted to join the Jets bc reasons other that Gase working here. Maybe just maybe the Billionaire owners did NOT defer responsibilities of who to hire to the HC hired just a short time before. And possibly just possibly JD wanted to give Gase the opportunity to show what kind of coach he is, for better or worse. Full disclosure. You’re right, the scenario you proposed, holds no logic.
Gase had only coached the Jets for 1 season and went 7-9 with a 2nd year QB who actually improved from the year before. I can't see any way he's hired and his first move is to fire the head coach. Amirite?
Right, that’s what I said. You said something completely different. He didn’t ONLY come here because of Gase. I think the salary and the fact that it was his only offer had something to do with it as well
yeah well it’s one of only 32 GM jobs in the world, like no shit. But you claimed he took the job intending to get Adam Gase canned which is just illogical
