Deebo Samuel Watch (Deebo asked SF to be traded)

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  1. KingRoach

    KingRoach Well-Known Member

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    NFL insiders across the board are in love with what JD is doing. This is the 1st time Woody has experienced praise from within the industry for the moves made under his ownership.

    Moving on from JD hasn’t entered anyones mind and if he can replicate last years draft it won’t be a thought next year either.

    Of course JD wants to have a winning team sooner rather than later but he sold the Johnson’s on a long term plan ie. don’t over read any of the draft day moves
     
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    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    Im talking about beyond the first four years of their career, and really that only applies to first round picks anyway. 1/7th of the players drafted.
     
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    Omg this is too good. Jamal Adams gave his thoughts on Deebo and Deebo called him corny haha

    Can we please trade for him?

    Edit: may not be real lol.
     
  4. KingRoach

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    Idk man. There are too many examples of franchises being crippled by offering too much guaranteed money for players who didn’t produce.

    I haven’t really watched basketball since Jordan retired but it has 1/4 of the starting players as football and with waaay fewer moving parts. I assume the bust rate is lower making guaranteed contracts plausible.
     
  5. LAJet

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    Apparently Debbo tweeted he wants to play for the Pats. “See you in a month Billie” he said. He doesn’t strike me as someone that has his shit totally together
     
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    What I was afraid of, although I thought Green Bay more because they've been rumored to be in discussions with SF. But it would be just SOJ luck to have him wind up on N.E.. And if true - again IF - it raises the possibility that even if he came to the Jets he wouldn't be totally invested. JD really needs to do his homework on this.
     
  7. LAJet

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    Spot on. Something doesn’t smell right. If he is using us a stalking horse screw him.
     
  8. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    It’s 2022 and we are still taking unverified Twitter reports as gospel?

    edit: so that “see you in a month Billy“ thing is what people are basing this all off of? A video from three years ago when he visited New England prior to the draft?
     
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  9. Get me the Damn Ball

    Get me the Damn Ball Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like he wants to be the highest paid WR in the game
     
  10. Borat

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    The difference is that NFL is ran like a business overall, while NBA allows teams that don't want profit, to get and pay for better players. While I agree, it is better for players when owners don't make money by overspending, like I mentioned earlier, this creates competitive disadvantage for these owners who actually do want to make money. As a result you would have a few teams with rich owners, being able and allowed to spend more and buy better players than others, with few elite teams in th hunt every year and others are underdogs.

    The NFL system now basically says, let's say the revenue split between owners and players is 50/50 or whatever it is agreed upon between the both sides. The CAP for the year will be 50% of revenue divided by 32 teams, and each team has to be under the CAP, but also hit a certain minimum # (there is some wiggle room built in). What that system ensures is that whatever % of revenue players are getting IS in fact being distributed to players. Guaranteed deals/ non guaranteed, is a sub point, inner working of the system, it does not change the financial balance towards players or owners. In this system or hard CAP the only thing that does change the balance towards players or owners is % of revenue distribution. Everything else is basically how some players get certain money vs other players. That's why you see rookies, who do not have any representation as Union has only vets, usually get screwed, etc...
     
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    That tweet was from 3 years ago… speaking of someone who doesn’t have his shit together.
     
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  13. KingRoach

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    Are you suggesting some NBA owners don’t want to make money?

    Agreed with the 2nd paragraph until the part where rookies get “screwed”. Before there was a rookie cap, they were the ones doing the screwing.
     
  14. ouchy

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    My "bias" is totally supported by facts. Zach finished last amongst starting QBs. That is a fact. The guy ran the 26th ranked offense in the league - and the only reason it was ranked that high is because he missed 5 games and White/Flacco/Johnson completely out performed him. That is a fact. Going against these facts are biased.
     
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    I think we can already tell how worried he is by what he's tried to do, even if he hasn't succeeded in doing it yet. His intentions have been clear, he just hasn't sealed the deal on any of the high priced WRs he's chased yet. The Tyreek saga was incredibly out of character for JD.

    All of his statements when he took the job were about how good teams accumulate draft capital and build through the draft, and how spending big on free agents is a fool's errand. His first two free agency periods were characterized by pursuing slightly lesser players because they were slightly better values than the best available players at a position.

    Now he's spent much of this offseason chasing every single expensive WR who has even the slightest chance of leaving their current team. Tyreek, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, Deebo - JD's been linked to all of them. Not only is he chasing expensive players, he's doing so during a time when WR price tags have just recently gone parabolic.

    His actions recently have been the polar opposite of everything he's said and done since he took the job.

    He could've gotten Amari Cooper, who would've given us 80-90% of the production of the guys above, while only giving up a 5th round pick. I think it's pretty clear what happened here - JD misjudged the WR market again (shades of the Robby Anderson move) and has spent the rest of the offseason chasing guys to make up for the early misjudgment. We know he came into this offseason wanting to sign an established WR, but he's been forced to chase the most absurdly expensive ones because he whiffed on the highest value ones.

    If this was JD's first year on the job he'd probably sit tight as is, but he's getting concerned he won't see another offseason if next year at all resembles the first two.
     
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    Wilson will be handed a slew of shiny new toys TEs and WRs to compliment his talents...getting Deebo would be the icing on the cake. The kid has to put up or shut up. If he can't win with a stable of talent I am sure he will blame our shitty Defense.

    That said, JD will finally get us an Edge Rusher and shore up the LBs

    Zach will have no excuses..
     
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  17. BroadwayAaron

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    I don’t get why people don’t see how the current Douglas gameplan is a pretty damn good one. What doesn’t make sense about it? Him wanting to pay for a guy because he said he wouldn’t? What happens when you draft a guy and he becomes a star? You pay him. I don’t think Douglas ever meant that he’ll never make a splash because that’s just stupid and not realistic if you want to win. There’s a difference between spending and spending wisely. I always took it as Douglas saying he won’t spend just to spend.

    Trading the 10th pick, which you’d probably use on a receiver, for a star receiver who is only 26 makes all the sense in the world especially considering you have the 4th pick plus multiple second/third rounders.
     
  18. LAJet

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    You are right. Definitely not when it comes to tweeter for sure.
     
  19. KingRoach

    KingRoach Well-Known Member

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    Lol. I literally only have twitter for FA season of the NFL…. But I google every rumor I hear.

    So many option, I can’t wait to see what direction JD goes. <3 OT, EDGE, C <3
     
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  20. REVISion

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    The goal is the build the best total team, right? That means maximizing the amount of total talent on the roster with the finite $ that is available to spend.

    The #10 pick this year means you will be able to draft one of the 2-3 best WR prospects in the draft. That player will be extremely cheap for the next 5 years because of how the rookie pay scale works. That affordability means you can allocate quite a bit of money (in this case $15-$20 million relative to paying Deebo) towards other players to improve the team.

    Does anyone think JD would be pursuing all of these super-expensive WRs if it was his first year on the job? Of course not, because paying them is a bad long term move relative to drafting a WR at 10 and spending the money elsewhere. JD knows he might not get another offseason though, so he's selling out his principles to make the team as good as possible next year, even if it screws us 2-3 years down the line.
     
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