Sam Darnold Warned Jets They Were 'Making a Mistake' in Panthers Trade

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  1. Brook!

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    Joe has spoken. Case closed.
     
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  2. cval

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    Completion percentage has nothing to do with accuracy
     
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    I was unhappy with his ball placement on slants. It seems like more often than not he was a little behind the receiver, making the catch more difficult than it needed to be. I definitely want to see improvement in that area.
     
  4. cval

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    He was definitely late on some passes and when he was in his slump he threw way too much off of his back foot.
     
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    Accurate passes are more likely to be completed.

    Do you disagree with that statement ?
     
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    The thing is, no one is arguing Zach Wilson played better in 2021. We all agree Mac Jones did. Still, down the stretch it looked like Wilson began to catch up to the NFL game. He should take a big jump in 2022. Maybe Mac Jones will too, maybe he will stay the same, which isn't terrible for the Patriots, we will see.

    Sam Darnold vs. Josh Allen was not the same though. Sam really did play better in 2018 and 2019, in my opinion. Then they both went in extreme opposite directions and fast. The similarity of the 2 situations is Sam had way less to work with as a Jet, just as Wilson has way less to work with, but that excuse ends in 2022 for me. Zach needs to step up and lead this team to success.
     
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    It was awful the first few games but finished slightly below average on the season if I recall.
     
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    It's not everything, but nothing to do with accuracy?
     
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  9. cval

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    No, it does not. Completion percentage is if the ball was caught or not, not how accurately the ball is thrown. Some balls thrown have a higher rate to be completed some lower. It also depends on the route run and which receiver the QB decides to throw to. Accuracy has very little to do with the completion percentage overall. Completion percentage has more to do with timing and the length of the route, decision making dropped passes and the number of passes thrown and the number of passes thrown away.

    ARe the QBS in the 70's and 80's less accurate than today's QBs? Of course not because completion percentage has nothing to do with the accuracy of a throw. Josh Allen still is not that accurate of a passer but he has a high completion percentage.
     
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    Come on man...we're entering crazy territory here.

    Does the accuracy of passes have anything to do with how likely those passes are to be caught? Because if so, then accuracy absolutely plays a role in completion %.

    You're already kind of walking it back by now saying "accuracy has very little to do with completion %" instead of "nothing".
     
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    The percentage is so small it is statistically irrelevant.
     
  12. K'OB

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    The actual difference between Allen and Darnold in season 3 was one of those QB's went to their coach and worked his arse off to improve, the other one despite having the same coach was said to be happy with the way he had always done things.

    One is now one of the better QB's in the league and the other is about to enter the world of back up QB or bust.

    We all know which was which and had very little to do with talent on the team, see the Panthers version of Sam for further proof.

    As for Wilson let us hope he is the work his arse off type and does take the leap.
     
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    This thread has made me want Sam to become a superstar....
     
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    By what metrics?

    I know PFF has is rated surprisingly high but theirs is based on cumulative grades of of the players as opposed to performance of the squad.

    The OL absolutely was better when we secured a competent RG. Zach’s performances seem to mirror the OLine’s; the better they were, the better our QBs were.

    When I go back and watch Zach’s 1st games of the season, my thoughts are- we’re in trouble. When I rewatch the games later in the season, my thought are- we’ve found our FQB.

    4. SAUCE
    10. Lloyd
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    Big cats confuse me... :confused:
     
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  18. KingRoach

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    Sam has definitely joined the JAGs
     
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    I would much rather have Wilson than Mac. Yes, Mac played better, and yes, he has a lower floor than Zach. We have no idea what Zach Wilson is yet, but we do know what Mac Jones isn't, and that's an elite QB. He will never be that, IMO, and I think most would agree. What he will be is a capable game manager QB. Maybe he progresses to slightly better than that. But in world with Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Lamar, Burrow, Russ, Watson... Mac Jones will never compete. Wilson may turn out to be a bust but at least there's hope that he has the talent and might reach his potential. Mac could reach his full potential and still not be good enough. Its why I laugh at anyone suggesting Carolina should take Kenny Picket at 6. Why in the world would you choose a player who you know will NEVER be elite? That is mind boggling to me. Malik Willis has a very high bust rate, but at least he has the potential to be great. Id rather take chances on finding elite QB's than marring my team in mediocrity for 10 years and knowing for certain I will never win a super bowl.
     
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    Carolina taking Pickett makes sense if the coach and GM have 1 last year to prove they’re good at their job. Taking a QB who needs a year to develop isn’t the move if Rhule thinks he needs to produce this year.
     

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