I just think if a team like Atalanta wants to jump their division rival Carolina for a QB that they apparently covet in Pickett it’s costing 8 + 58 + 1st next year
I believe there is a real chance the Saints move up to #4. They made this move to acquire draft capital for a trade up for a QB. There is no other reason to add a 1st Round pick this far out otherwise, so expect them to trade up with someone. Panthers need a QB, so it has to be #5 or higher for the Saints I believe. The Jimmy Johnson trade chart lists #16 (1,000) and #19 (875) as 1,875 combined, while #4 (1,800) is worth only slightly less. We may not see the Saints trade up unfold until draft day, otherwise they just give the Panthers the opportunity to jump them. For the Jets, they are not a #4 pick away from contention. Converting the #4 pick into #16 and #19, and having three Top 20 picks along with two more at the top of round 2 would potentially mean five Top 40 selections. #10 Jermaine Johnson II #16 Drake London #19 Tyler Linderbaum #35 Daxton Hill/Lewis Cine #38 Travis Jones They could also use #69 to move up from either #35 or #38 if they wanted. You might ask why wouldn’t they just trade with the Giants at #5? When the Jets are on the clock at #4, call the Saints. “Panthers want get up to #4, come get your guy or he’ll be gone by 5.”
It’s not a dumb deal, it’s amassing draft capital. The Jets need talent now. They may not be interested in dropping from #4 all the way to #18 just to get a future 1st as compensation. Same with Giants, who would be the other prime trade partner. There would be no reason for Saints to pull the trigger so early if it’s not QB driven. If they were targeting non-QB’s, they would have just had a trade in place with the Eagles and only pulled the trigger if the players they wanted were falling to where they wanted them to on draft day. Winston’s deal can be 2 years $14 million per, or 1 year $15.2 million if they decide to go another way.
There is no way the Saints made that trade to just sit still at 16/19. They are coming up to get their guy at QB.
We can only hope... the 2000 draft helped set up the JETS for a few years, and even stacked the team enough to trick people into thinking Herm was a good coach
Exactly! The Jets need talent now more than next year. This obsession with getting future picks is weird and short-sighted imo. If the Jets get the players/talent they need THIS year filling holes and upgrading both units, those players have a year to adjust to the NFL, learn the schemes the Jets run, and develop, and the Jets are able to ascertain whether or not those players are keepers. That would have the Jets in much better shape and poised for serious contention for a playoff spot next year, not to mention that those extra players they get this year could be enough to help them get over the hump and make the playoffs this year. Conversely, if they wait to get those picks until next year, it lessens the chances that the Jets will make the playoffs next year because of the number of rookies they could possibly be starting. It ironic that posters want to wait until next year to get those draft picks, as I'd be willing to bet the very same posters are sick of losing and want the Jets to make the playoffs this year. It truly is mind boggling how they can't see the contradiction in what they want.
I disagree that it was a dumb deal. How do you know that the Saints didn't call the Jets first and were told what they had to offer wasn't good enough, that there needed to be more early picks and draft capital this year? So the Saints knew that they had to make a trade to get the draft capital that the Jets might accept. For that matter, they might have called both the Jets and Giants or just the Giants and were told the same thing. I totally agree with Maximus, that if there was an OT or WR they coveted, they'd just have the deal in place, but wouldn't pull the trigger until draft day so that no team could still jump ahead of them.
I agree and would love this draft with the exception of London. Substitute Wilson or Williams or Burks for London and I'll sign up for that right now. I wouldn't sign up for a subsequent trade up, however. That defeats the purpose of getting extra picks, and they would then lose out on Hill/Cine or Jones, and the player they would have taken at #69. That's shooting themselves in the foot and wasting the good fortune they got with the trade down. At #69 they could still possibly get Chad Muma or one of the UGA LBs or Brandon Smith. Instead of waiting until the 4th or 5th and taking Jelani Woods, they could take Ruckert. They could take a 2nd WR and truly upgrade their WR corps. They could take an OT/OG and upgrade their depth. They could even take a RB earlier than the 4th or 5th round and possibly still get Breece or Cook. For that matter, they could take a CB that so many Jets fans think they need to take. With adding their Edge, WR, C, S, and DT that they need, there would be no reason to move up. Their serious needs will have been addressed, and they could just take BPA with an eye towards upgrading depth and still get a RB and TE somewhere in the last 5-6 picks.
I agree with all of this Max, but when you're talking QBs at the top of the draft, the "Jimmie Johnson Chart" doesn't really apply. What does apply is "what does the market demand?'. If I'm JD I'd want a 2nd/3rd rounder in 2023 also. That said, I wouldn't turn my nose up at what you suggest will be offered, and I admit that with the Giants sitting at #5 it lessens Douglas's leverage a bit. Still, I think the #4 is more valuable than #16 + #19.
literally my 1st thought as well. they won't do it until draft day just in case but we seem a prime spot to move up for the 1st QB off the board and them loading up makes sense if the jets are looking for 2 1sts. JJ will be there at 10 it seems. at 16 i'd personally rather have williams, wilson, or olave (one of them will be there) and I wouldn't mind linderbaum at 19 but if wyatt is still there or jordan davis i'd be interested. I could see us moving 35 for a future 1st as well since we had 3 1sts before that pick and it gives us flexibility in the next draft and a contender could look to do that for the now player that fell. I do like your version too though and we'd still have a 3rd and 2 4ths and 2 5ths for LBer, TE, RB, and whatever else we want to take a lottery ticket on
I think it really does apply more than you’d think. I’ll do a breakdown on the trade values if I have a chance
