Hey dummy... Trump is responsible for a LOT of the shit that caused this mess. Do a little research... you'll still be stupid... but it may make it less obvious. FREE HUNTER!
So basically America is responsible because they had preferences with who held office in an interim government that's not in power anymore. And they setup meetings between these politicians and the West, but did not interfere with these elections outside of showing their preference... Nothing illegal or below board like social media botting or aid withholding while there interim officials were it place. And from my research, these far right officials were popular among the pubic because they were frequent attendees at the many protests happening throughout Ukraine while the government was over thrown... Moreso than a John McCain appearance. These people again were only apart of an interim government, and not in power anymore... At least the ones in your posted articles. Still trying to figure out how America is responsible, other than having picked a preference in who they wanted to work with in those positions. Where is the illegal activity, or is your issue solely with their candidate preference in a government body that was in power for less then six months?
Glad you got it. America IS responsible... and now the people that got us involved and are in charge of navigating this proxy war are the same neo-cons that handled Afghanistan, Libya, Iran, Iraq & Syria. If you can find a "win" among any of those... please "enlighten" me.
You still haven't explained how the US did anything other than show the candidates they preferred, in again an interim government that isn't in power anymore and hasn't been it's power for over three years. Actually way more, but a couple did maintain positions a few years after the interim government. You're saying that their approval and an appearance of John McCain was more influential than the fact these candidates were active in the protests of the government they replaced? And again, these people aren't in power anymore. Also, how did all of this attribute to the invasions of Ukraine by Russia thats been happening since 2014? Should Ukrainian citizens not bring down their corrupt government and president in 2014 too?
The win in Afghanistan was simple. It let us take Al-Qaida down. A process that would have been nearly impossible with a Taliban government shielding them as the Taliban were. The others, with the exception of Iran and Iraq, were all "anything but the worst-case scenario". Iran is a lot more complicated because that story did not start in 1979 or 1986 or 2004 or 2012. That story started in 1953 when the UK brought a simple regime change to the US to preserve oil rights. We, like idiots went for it hook, line and sinker. Everything that has happened since then is either our fault or the UK's depending on what prism you view the unfolding disaster through. I have a "very little" bit of inside info on this because for some reason my life has crossed that junction in our history multiple times. My dad went to school with Reza Pahlevi at Harvard. He knew him before he was the Shah of anything. One of my bosses fled Iran as a teenager in the Armenian diaspora after Pahlevi was overthrown in 1979. His crime? His father was one of the Shah's doctors. All of the Shah's important servants were foreign, because Iran hated the Shah with a passion before Khomeini became a thing. I went to school with 3 Iranian sons of privilege in the late 70's. I saw exactly what they thought of the Shah before and after he was overthrown and it didn't change a bit. They knew he was a thug and they knew he was a thug inflicted upon them by the West. They also knew they and their families were screwed the minute he was overthrown because he was there to keep the .25% in power. Iraq was a giant war crime.
Do you really think we've been "hands off"? I'm not the lone person with this point of view. You just don't agree with it and that's fine. It's not just election interference... Russia is overtly guilty on their part. In the immortal words of Adam Schiff- "The United States aids Ukraine and her people, so that we can fight Russia over there, and we don’t have to fight Russia here." https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy
At least the Ukraine war is rather straight up... it has escalated from a civil war to country on country. The U.S. is better at fighting those types of battles than the complex civil wars we have trouble navigating.
No "puppet regime" was installed in Ukraine by the US or any other outside source - there is not a shred of evidence that any elections there in the past thirty years have been compromised, but you continue to make such empty claims, like those of alignment with far right factions. And you continue to make such unsupported, empty claims and those of "shredding" of treaties and cold war "escalation." What is more "escalation" than attacking a neighboring nation, leveling cities and killing thousands - that is no "cold war." Your problem is that rather than look through the clear window of facts you choose to look through the prism of dated radical opinion and questionable analysis. Whatever suits your fantasy is acceptable, even if time has proven it to be false. Your NBC link refers to the Svoboda Party and its 15,000 members out of a population of forty million eight years ago. No American officials were pandering to that party and the year before it was written Tyahnybok, its leader, had been denied entrance into the United States because of its radical ideals. He got one percent of the presidential votes in 2014 and has been out of politics since at least 2018 - why use him as an example of American meddling? Here's why John McCain was in Ukraine in 2013, and that is so far removed from the "meddling" you claim. What John McCain Would Say About Putin and Ukraine - The Atlantic
The war in Ukraine is anything but straight up. It’s a war of pure aggression with the intent of regime change. Where it differs from the US version is that Putin is intent upon achieving his goals at any cost so he has unleashed an assault on civilian populations of the sort that we haven’t seen in Europe since Hitler’s total war upon Eastern Europe and the Ukraine in 1941 and 1942 and the retaliation upon Germany in 1944 and 1945 by the Allies. That’s why people consider this to be the worst war in Europe since WWII.
If you're gonna carry water for neo-con war hawks... don't use a leaky bucket. Pouring weapons into Ukraine is an escalation. All your harrumphing doesn't change that simple fact. Who is Victoria Nuland? A really bad idea as a key player in Biden's foreign policy team https://www.salon.com/2021/01/19/wh...s-a-key-player-in-bidens-foreign-policy-team/ Lethal Weapons to Ukraine: A Primer https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/lethal-weapons-to-ukraine-a-primer/ U.S. and NATO’s Unprecedented Weapons Transfers to Ukraine Could Prolong the War https://theintercept.com/2022/03/10/ukraine-russia-nato-weapons/ U.S. and NATO allies arm neo-Nazi units in Ukraine as Foreign Policy elites yearn for Afghan-style insurgency https://mronline.org/2022/03/23/u-s...icy-elites-yearn-for-afghan-style-insurgency/ The looming US withdrawal from the Open Skies Treaty https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...ing-us-withdrawal-from-the-open-skies-treaty/ U.S. Completes INF Treaty Withdrawal https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-09/news/us-completes-inf-treaty-withdrawal Who is Victoria Nuland? A really bad idea as a key player in Biden's foreign policy team https://www.salon.com/2021/01/19/wh...s-a-key-player-in-bidens-foreign-policy-team/
If the US was truly pouring weapons into Ukraine we would see M-16s, American tanks and APCs, short and mid-range missiles, US fighter jets. What we see is a splash of hand held javelins and some drones - those are defensive weapons, I would note. You're doing great in exaggeration, but lousy at analysis. Would you have the civilized world stand idly by while Putin decimates the population of Ukraine and its cities? Just how far removed from the concept of human compassion are you? Do you have a legitimate news source in your quiver or do you rely completely on biased opinion from an array of fringe elements with fringe agendas to form your body of knowledge? Do you even know the difference between reporting what has actually occurred and offering opinions on what is happening? The first two sentences of your first link is more than sufficient to identify it as worthless. "Who is Victoria Nuland? Most Americans have never heard of her, because the U.S. corporate media's foreign policy coverage is a wasteland." A year old opinion about Victoria Ruland, identifying her as the leader of a Ukrainian coup in 2014, and as a danger to world peace today is laughable as we sit watching Putin demolish cities and people in their own homes. List however long a bibliography of distorted opinions you wish, but until you point out those things within that you believe proves your point, I will continue to believe your quiver is empty.
I don't particularly care what the reasons are or what happened in the past. The facts that Russia used military force to occupy part of Ukraine eight years ago, has a president that has openly stated that Ukraine shouldn't exist as a separate entity, and has now launched a full scale invasion of Ukraine (not to mention his thinly veiled threats to use nukes if anyone tries to intervene). Ukraine has resisted and some less than savoury elements have no doubt less than optimal stuff. So fucking what? Ukrainian neo-Nazis are only operating and doing stuff because Russia invaded Ukraine.
