I do want better. I am not suggesting we stand pat. I would be very surprised, shocked even, if JD doesn’t spend a relatively high pick on a receiver. Going after hill is a big signal. But compared to March 2021...well you answer the question
As someone else pointed out to you, it ISN'T a statement of fact. The WR room is much better at this point in the offseason than it was last year at this time. It will be even better following the draft.
I am not sure why you are pointing out to March of last year as it is irrelevant what it looked like then. I know how WRs performed last year (not in March but all year), and it was bad for Zach. It is absolutely statement of fact that so far JD didn't improve the room since with market now dried up and we actually lost Crowder. I think it was a missed opportunity not to get a guy like Cooper, but still hopeful we can get two in the draft in top 38 and at least one can be really good right away. If this position is still not clear, and you think this means sky is falling, I don't know what to tell you.
Guy, you're the one who made the comparison first of now vs last year at this time, and it was offbase. If it's not relevant, then why did you bring it up? That's the point. I don't think Crowder and Cole are big losses. Both got injured last year. Crowder didn't play that well when healthy, and neither did Cole. JD isn't desperate. There was not much in FA available at WR to begin with, and some of that talent got tagged. JD tried to trade for two different WRs, but wasn't going to viotate his principles on Cooper, and that was absolutely the right thing to do. He rightly surmised that he'd have another opportunity to add a veteran WR. We would have had Hill if he was willing to come here. There are still some decent FA WRs available. There will probably be some cuts following the draft, and camp cuts as well. We're in agreement that JD needs to draft two top quality WRs in the draft.
It reminds me a bit of how JD played the guard market in FA last year. No urgency at all and then when the season started we realized immediately that it was a big problem. Like you said, we have to pray we hit on whichever WR we take.
What principles would JD have been violating with Cooper? Cooper is 27 years old and has averaged 1,000 yards per year over his 7 year career. He's also made 4 pro bowls. It wasn't against JD's principles to offer 28 year old Tyreek Hill $30 million per year and give up 2 premium picks in the process but it would've been against his principles to offer 27 year old Cooper $20 million per year while only giving up a single 5th round pick? Come on man. It's a whiff. It's OK to admit JD is capable of mistakes you know. I won't tell him you said it. JD slow played the market yet again and here we are with zero upgrades at the position. Now we have to pray whoever we draft works out immediately or we're screwed.
Overpaying. You think AC was worth the cost, JD and I disagreed. Let’s get back to the OL comment regarding last year. Who would you have like him to have been more aggressive with last year in FA?
28 year old Tyreek was worth $30 million per year and 2 2nd round picks but 27 year old Cooper wasn't worth $20 million per year and a 5th round pick? I just fundamentally disagree with that then. Cooper has averaged 65.5 YPG during his career vs. 72.9 for Hill. Cooper has averaged 90% of Hill's production over their careers, yet could've been had for 66% of Hill's cost (much less actually if you consider the picks traded and not just the contract, which we should). Hill averages more TD's per year, but Cooper only had 1 less TD than him last year despite playing in 2 less games. I cannot be convinced that it would've been an overpay for Cooper given what we know JD was willing to give up for Hill. It defies all logic. JD slow played the market and panicked at the end which led to him almost overpaying Hill if anything.
I believe it would have been a huge overpayment if Cooper or Hill were paid the kind of money here they signed for if Wilson could not justify the expense by repeating what has been his experience at the Jets. Looking directly at Wilson's performance alone, without reference to coaching, injuries, bad routes, dropped passes, failed OL, etc., we have seen glimmers of hope but mostly subpar delivery. Dumping over a hundred million on a key receiver who would only be getting older if the Jets found they needed to replace a QB once more could set the team back another five or six years in sunk cost.
Yes, you’ve made it pretty clear you fundamentally disagree. No one needs to convince you of anything. Just because something doesn’t make sense to you, doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense.
Well the Dolphins paid the price for T Hill ..was that the smart move? Let's see if it pays off . Don't forget their QB Tua is still on shaky ground
Miami now has all world Tyreek Hill Armstead on the OL and a stacked backfield with R Moestert and Chase Edmunds Tua is a shaky QB however , but if they make this work the AFC East just got turned on its head. I think Hill chose Miamiover Jets is because ther is no state Tax in Florida probably I believe his offer for Hill was not bad,but Douglas will be gone by 2023 if this WR draft isn't a home run imo
Didn’t he make a big money offer to the FA guard Thueney? He chose the Chiefs over Jets. I’m not defending Joe. He tries addressing the needs of team but he’s seeing what we knew all along, big time impactful players still don’t want to play for Jets. When the team becomes a consistent winner, that’s when we will see a change in big time FA players attitude towards Jets.
The taxes had something to do with it, but he also said it’s his home. He has family there, he trains there and lives there in off-season. If I had the choice to live somewhere with low taxes and nice weather I would consider it top priority as well.
He only brought the Jets into the picture to get a better deal for the Chiefs and himself. We were the useful idiots in the scenario.
Usually with general managers there is a core philosophy he brings to his team. What is Douglas' philosophy? Does he have one that we can determine? He has been all over the map.
About Hill using us as leverage, There may some truth to that…but somehow money always talks every time a player or agent says the old classic “this wasn’t about the money”, you know that OF COURSE it’s about the money. It ALWAYS is. Adams wanted to play with Carr. Hill wanted to be home. Rodgers wanted more say with GB. Yadda yadda yadda. then they all sign record breaking deals. Even fucking Brady and his squeaky clean fucking image of taking less for the team is bullshit…he has that training gig that Kraft helps fund…and nobody ever talks about it. It’s BS. anyway….whether Cooper is worth $20m or Hill is worth $30m or whatever would always be up for debate. We really are about a year away from making that kind of move if you stick to the build plan, I get it. but…the facts are that so many AFC teams got A LOT better this offseason…it really feels unprecedented…top QBs like Wilson, Watson, and Ryan moved. When does that ever happen? Top receivers like Hill, Cooper, and Adams moved, and top DEs like Mack, Jones, Miller moved. Again, when have we ever seen this kind of movement? and none of those were free agents! Those were all trades. and here we came into the offseason with top three in cap space, and lots of great draft picks available,and got ZERO of these guys. I get we are building from the bottom up and via the draft. No problem. Some of those guys are older. Sure ok. And a bunch of them *say* that it wasn’t about the money *cough* yah ok *cough*… I’m not saying throw stupid resources at less than key positions or terrible players like Mac did with Bell and Trumaine, but every single one of these guys are legit proven studs, and they are all better than anyone we have on our roster. I feel like we missed an opportunity to get better at our two biggest holes in pass rush and receiver. I like what JD has done so far with OL and TE and DB, and I get that we will be drafting DE and WR hopefully early (instead of this S at 4 nonsense) and hopefully more than one of each, so we may be ok after all, but it sure does feel like such a missed opportunity. There were plenty of these teams that had less than half our cap room and not as many picks, and lo and behold, they all managed to find cap room and make a trade. we just didn’t do it. JD tried…but if we are the Jets, yeah we may have to pay more than other teams who haven’t sucked for a decade. It is what it is. but if you look around the AFC, it’s ridiculous…we are probably in the bottom three teams with Jacksonville and Houston…the gap has widened this year in the AFC…it’s going to be harder to stay in playoff contention, so while I do think we are improved at least on paper, there are a TON of “if’s” that need to happen for us to reach 6-8 wins… IF JD nails the draft and comes out with a stud pass rusher, stud WR, and decent S IF Lawson comes back healthy and productive and exceeds his career best 5-6 sacks, turning all those “pressures” and “hurries” into actual game changing plays IF Becton comes back healthy and dominant like he showed in flashes two years ago IF Zach improves to even an average QB and moves out of LAST fucking place in the ratings IF Moore and Davis and Berrios and Carter can stay healthy IF Davis can eliminate the uncharacteristic drops from last year IF the 2nd year former safeties can actually stay healthy and play LB this year IF the coaches improve off a learning rookie year IF we don’t get hit with an obscene amount of injuries again man that’s a lot! most likely not all of them will come to be hard to see anything other than last place again
The principle of not signing an expensive FA without first working out a long-term contract. I wouldn't do it either. It was stupid of Cleveland to do it. They could have gotten badly burned, and it wound up an expensive one-year rental. I'm not surprised you think it a whiff. You're one of the most negative people I've ever seen. The bottom line is that you just don't like JD, so you're looking through a microscope trying to find fault with everything he does. You've lost all credibility with me on anything regarding JD and the moves he makes. Your agenda and bias is glaringly apparent. What you want is a dumbass, reckless GM who spends like a drunken sailor. It's ironic since you don't like JD's being aggressive and not slow in the draft and trading up for AVT. I'd take a GM like JD 100 times out of a 100. He does things the right way, and is careful with the cap. I've had it with fans like you who think you're smarter and better than the best and most-qualified GM we've ever had. None of us knows jack shit compared to him. It's hilarious that you clowns think you know more than him. You don't deserve to see a winning Jets team because you're placing your opinion and ego ahead of what's best for the team. JD is getting us where we want and need to be. Every GM makes mistakes. The difference is in how we determine what's a mistake and what isn't a mistake, and how we react. You and others want to crucify JD. You're looking for excuses to fire him. I'm willing to wait and see how things turn out. If you went back and did as in-depth of every "great" GM in NFL history, I'm sure you'd see a similar record, way of doing things, and so-called mistakes with each of them.
