ESPN: Jets 3rd Most improved team so far in Free Agency

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  1. KingRoach

    KingRoach Well-Known Member

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    Hard pass.

    Sure, he’d be great in 5 or 6 games per year but that’s not enough.

    Anyone praising AC sounds pretty damn ignorant imo.
     
  2. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    The guy who thinks only poor people drink and drive is calling someone ignorant? You’re the best man. We bow in your presence.
     
  3. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I don't see anything wrong with praising Amari Cooper but he is definitely injury prone and it doesn't just affect his ability to stay on the field, it really hampers his ability to be effective when he is playing through it.

    When he is healthy he's a very effective player and he'd probably be best suited as a final piece for a contender. We'll see what happens in Cleveland but I didn't see the fit with him here at all.
     
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    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    For a fifth round pick and minimal cap implications, he’s not a final piece. He’s a building block. There’s a misconception that any team that traded for him would be hamstring so that would have to be their one big acquisition. That was never true and now there’s proof of it.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Interesting choice of words.
     
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    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    Sorry. Hamstrung.
     
  7. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    I wanted cooper too and agree but his cap hit is way more. they restructured it to lower his cap and put dead money into 2025 and 2026 and made it very hard to move on from him. JD would have never done that so his cap hit with us would have been 20 mil give or take and we already allocated our cap. I get why we could have had him but JD had a plan and in the end i'd take reed and tomlinson on resonable deals over cooper locked in for 5 years and being a bit overpaid.
     
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  8. BroadwayAaron

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    https://overthecap.com/player/amari-cooper/3852/

    Select "cut post June 1" on the dropdown menu under dead money and cap savings. He can be cut at any time after this season and the only money that the Browns will eat is a little less than $4 mil. This was always going to be the case with whatever team traded for him and it's why talking about his salary was and is completely irrelevant.
     
  9. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    if they cut him after this year he cost 15 mil against the cap. those numbers are wrong. it's a mistake. check spotrac (it's why I use spotrac more)
    the browns paid him out 18.88 mil in a signing bonus. plus his low salary he still made 20 mil this year, but the browns have to pay that 18.88 against the cap at some point and time regardless. they spread it over the existing 3 years and added 2 void years
    so if they cut him next year it's 4-5ths of that 18.88 mil in dead cap for 2023, if they designate him post june 1st then it's 2/5ths in 2023 and 2/5ths in 2024. or about 7.55 mil each year instead of 15 mil in 2023 alone.

    JD isn't going to hand out contracts like that, it's not his MO
     
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    I never said only poor people drink and drive.

    With your consistent lack of reading comprehension, I humbly accept your admission of inferiority.
     
  11. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    Your point was too dumb to go quote word for word. But enough people have told you that, I’ll lay off.

    Regardless, I bow in your presence. You know smarter people, you ARE smarter people. I’m not poor so I can’t go kill myself in a drunk driving accident but if I were, I would.
     
  12. KingRoach

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    $4mm. Plus $15mm I’m dead cap over the 4 years after.
    Reading is FUNdamental
     
  13. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    Thats just a bad job of laying out the contract by OTC then. Regardless, the Browns will never be in a spot where they can’t save money by cutting him. He’s also 27 and a top tier WR, it’s highly conceivable he’ll be there for most of this new “5 year” deal.
     
  14. KingRoach

    KingRoach Well-Known Member

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    “Too dumb to quote word for word” - words matter

    Rich people don’t drive drunk- never was said

    People who drive drunk are not the type of people who save money - was said

    Congratulations on not being the only person struggling here with reading comprehension, but it’s nothing to brag about.


    Th
     
  15. GasedAndConfused

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    it's just a glitch in the table where it's not accounting for any dead money with a post june 1st cut. spotrac has them at times too but IME has been more reliable. plus it shows real cash which is important when figuring out restructures.
    I like cooper, I would have loved to grab him for a late pick. I just understand why we didn't and how he wants to build the team. I mean the browns traded for OBJ and landry. had a ton of top 5 picks liek mayfield, ward, garrett etc and it got them 1 good year and back to doing it again. watson makes a huge difference but he has been off of football a year and could be suspended and now they lack any top picks for quite a while and won't have much cap room. the AFC is stacked and they may have a small window to win one and be back at square one. JD is building us like the ravens or steelers do and won't build like the browns or rams have.
     
  16. BroadwayAaron

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    The big problem with this is the Ravens and Steelers haven't won in a long time. That may have worked a decade ago but we are in the age of firepower. If you don't keep up, you're left out. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt... this is year 2... but the Bills went balls to the wall after year 2 in ways that this website would cry actual tears over. So we'll see I guess.
     
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    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    they been good franchises who consistently make the playoffs and they both have won a SB in the last decade. If your always knocking on the door you could get lucky and win it all. it's better then burning out bright at the chance then becoming a bottom dweller over and over.

    The bills hit on their QB, that's what made them. if wilson makes the 2nd year 3rd year jumps that allen has, we'll be sitting pretty
     
  18. KingRoach

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    Neither the Browns nor the Rams paid for top talent when they were in “rebuild mode”. Both have paid for top talent in “win now mode”

    The Steelers have not won a SB in the last decade but the traded for Fitzpatrick to get that missing piece in hopes to get there.

    The Jags and SOJF want to sign premium FAs while in rebuild mode. The good news is, this is the last season of “rebuild mode”.
     
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    rams have done things outside the norm but it works for them. they've also drafted very well in the late rounds, been lucky with injuries, and had OBJ fall into their lap. even at that the rams didn't win a SB until they got stafford.
    the browns haven't won in forever so not sure where they matter as far as rebuilds go. they've been rebuilding as long as we have

    as far as the steelers go, in the past 21 years they have 2nd most wins, 4th most playoff runs, 2nd most playoff wins and 2nd most titles. the reason they didn't win more Sbs was simply the pats dominated being 1st in every success category. the top 5 franchises in the past 21 years by wins were (in order) pats, steelers, packers, colts ravens. of those 5 the steelers were 1 of 3 to win multiple SBs. along with the ravens and pats. the worst 5 (in order) Browns, lions, jags, texans, raiders.
    Building like the steelers or pats or ravens makes the most sense. JD also left balt for a job in philly and won a SB there. he's been part of 2 superbowls. just let the man work. you may not agree with it, but ti's proven to work and there isn't 1 right way to do things.
     
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  20. KingRoach

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    The Rams didn’t win a SB until they upgraded their QB but they made it to the SB after adding a big signing in Suh

    The Browns have drafted well, went to and won a playoff game last year. They are 100% in “win now” mode.

    The Steelers are a solid organization, I’m not disputing that. You said they’d won the SB in the last decade, they have not.

    My point is, all 4 have built their teams Thru the draft. The Rams, Steelers, and Browns have all traded a 1st rd pick for proven talent and the Ravens made a big splash in FA this year. (For those with poor reading comprehension, I’m not advocating for more major FA signings this year).

    Building a team and maintaining a team are two different things. We are building a team, the 4 others mentioned are maintaining a team.

    I’m 100% on board with JD has done.

    -Not paying Anderson
    -Saying he “misjudged the market” to placate impatient fans
    -Not paying Cooper
    -Signing Fant
    -Working closely with the CS to find out attributes they find important
     
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