A "good" thing, good if you are on our side anyway (and obviously some TGG posters are not) is that we are undoubtedly getting some great intel on all of Russia's equipment, specifically their new missiles and such -- Also there is an open source website doing quantitative research on the equipment losses. Check this shit out Ground vehicles losses as of today: RU losses: 1,660 UKR losses: 397 https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html that's a lot of money, and for what? Is Ukraine even worth it? Take the L Putin
Yes, he most certainly did. I'm not even sure what his "strategy" is right now. Try to push everyone into the middle of the country without egress, landlock them, starve them out, mow them down, and beat them into submission? Don't forget, this is in order to liberate Ukraine from bloodshed, slaughter, and oppression from the Nazis! Why can't the world see this? Didn't Putin deport Muslim Tartars from Crimea? Deport to WHERE. Ask Solzhenitsyn. Sounds like ethnic cleansing to me. It appears that the right-wing extremists/neo-Nazis in the Azov region and "throughout Ukraine" are 1) not 1/10th as numerous as reported and 2) are by and large pro-Russian separatists in their beliefs. So, if they are indeed responsible for torturing those civilians it's a stage play for Putin every which way but loose. Look at what they're doing to these poor Ukranian people! That's why we are here, we are here to save the day! Haha, c'mon. Putin goons or half-headed propaganda, take your pick.
I think he's hoping they surrender the few podunk places he's got and then he can spin this as a great victory for Russia But yea obviously the great liberation angle was bullshit
I don't understand your point. If Zelensky's government is dominated by Nazis who commit attrocities against Ukranians, as your repeated posts have indicated (ignoring the fact that Zelensky is Jewish), why do you care that he was "hung out to dry"? Is it your opinion that Zelensky and Ukraine should have been allowed to join Nato when they requested it?
The Russians are stalling at the moment, waiting for the mud to dry out. They attacked 6 weeks early and that is what explains the long columns stalled on the roads. The roads are the only terrain that their armor and trucks do not get immediately mired in when they go off road. I saw an interview with a retired General the other night where he toasted the Russians for having bad skills in the field. He didn't mention the weather or the mud once. That's what happens when you are 20 years into retirement and you never fought on a European battlefield in the Spring.
I never "indicated" the government is "dominated by Nazis who commit attrocities against Ukranians". If anything... I evidenced that there were abuses and human rights violations by Ukrainian para-military and far-right elements in the National Guard by linking to videos that showed those "attrocities". Ukraine civilians were also involved in committing these depravities. I don't think the majority of Ukraine's military is predominated by Neo-Nazis... but I do know that the Azov Battalion and far-right volunteers were given weapons and utilized in the war against Russian separatists in the Donbas region...and now they are an integral fighting unit engaging Russian military in Mariupol. Zelenskyy's Jewish heritage means nothing... unless one wants to extenuate the reality that Neo-Nazis are involved in the fight against Russia. How much of an influence they have is certainly debatable... but they do exist. This invasion could have been easily avoided... my feeling is that it was prodded by western rhetoric and actions. I had hopes that diplomacy would have brought peace... but I'm not sure that route was seriously considered by either side. What Russia is doing right now is unforgivable... we need to support the people of Ukraine in every way possible in their fight for freedom. But that aid needs to be focused on humanitarian needs and defensive weapons.
I recently spoke with someone of Ukrainian descent who informed me that the claim that the Ukrainians were nazis by Putin was not only unfounded & ridiculous, but it was meant as a not-so-subtle 'dig' at the Ukrainian people for a reason. Stalin committed genocide in the Ukraine, slaughtering their people and forced them into a famine. Life was so bad for the Ukrainians under the USSR that when the Nazis tried to invade they were greeted as liberators in the Ukraine. How sad is that? -- So when Putin chose that manner to describe the Ukraine, he did so purposely, only to pour salt on those wounds. The fact that you have everyday Americans like Soxx and Acad lining up to portray them as Nazis now makes it even more ridiculous to think about.
Just figured I'd quote myself to annoy @FJF. https://forums.theganggreen.com/threads/the-ukrainian-situation.97036/page-36#post-4183549
To be fair, I don’t think either one of them ever said the Ukrainian people were nazis. They said there were forces such as those battalions that were fighting along with them. And it’s a fact. The problem I have with soxxx point of view, is that he seems to sympathize with putins dislike for any nato country to border his, as if nato doesn’t have the right to have the same concern with a Russian territory bordering theirs. And at the end of the day, it should all be what the Ukrainian people want. Overwhelming, they do not want to be part of Russia. We should have don’t more in hindsight to stop this from happening. We treated them as if they were a part of it, they should have been protected as if they were.
Should be easy to point to where I said all Ukrainians were Nazis... or better yet get up to speed with current day facts. Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946 ...even though Putin is engaging in propaganda, it’s also true that Ukraine has a genuine Nazi problem — both past and present. Putin’s destructive actions — among them the devastation of Jewish communities — make clear that he’s lying when he says his goal is to ensure anyone’s welfare. But important as it is to defend the yellow-and-blue flag against the Kremlin’s brutal aggression, it would be a dangerous oversight to deny Ukraine’s antisemitic history and collaboration with Hitler’s Nazis, as well as the latter-day embrace of neo-Nazi factions in some quarters. Examining the Threat of the Azov Movement in Ukraine https://geohistory.today/azov-movement-ukraine/ The Azov movement has gained in reputation and power, not only in their home country of Ukraine, but across the world. The group, which began as a volunteer paramilitary organization, has evolved and expanded since its conception. Now an integrated part of Ukraine’s formal military forces, its leaders are currently active in local and national politics. Although they have been only marginally successful at the polls, they have been very visible in the national discussion of how to form a new, post-Maidan Ukrainian identity through physical protests, online discussion, and active recruiting to their nationalist organizations Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
Thanks for not jumping on the "you love Putin" bullshit bandwagon. That type of accusatory nonsense serves no purpose other than to highlight how ignorant and slow-witted the person spewing it is.
Well maybe you havent read enough of their posts. Soxx has repeatedly spread that claim and just above mine Acad is literally linking out any article he could find by googling 'Ukraine' and 'Nazis' as his search terms. What's he tryin to do if hes not trying to spread that claim?
I read it as an internal problem that exists. It doesn’t mean that zalensky is with it, it or that majority of the Ukrainian people are nazis. Also doesnt have much to do with anything that’s going on. Putin is full of shit , he has more than enough nazi sympathizers in Russia he could deal with.
Also, anything that happened in Eastern Ukraine over the last 8 years needs to be looked at really closely when you try to figure out what is going on. The areas that Russia was trying to destabilize had a lot of funky shit going down on both sides and in fact there were 3 factions in play: Ukraine, Russian sympathizers in Ukraine and Russians. Figuring out what was going on in that area since 2014 is really hard.
It is pretty complicated. I’ve read some, and watched some documentaries over the last few weeks. Just seems to be that us, and Russia have been politically tug a warring that country, and now they are suffering for it. As far as what acad has been saying, It does “seem” as though we have been overlooking nazism there since ww2, in exchange for intel and an anti Russia sentiment. From what I read , we allowed some nazis to escape Nuremberg, and it resulted in being influential to some politics. Allowing it it to grow a little more than hoped. Not that it has anything to do with what’s going on there now, or is relevant to this invasion, because as I said , Putin is all bullshit. Maybe a topic for a different conversation, not related to an illegal invasion.
Everybody let the technicians in Nazi Germany off the hook. There's good evidence that both the West and the Russians let people who were not brand name Nazi's off the hook in East and West Germany to consolidate control of the governments on each side. The industrial Nazi's who were not directly related to implementation of the Holocaust were allowed to function so that industry would pick itself up off the carpet-bombed/rocket-fusilladed floor and start working again. I haven't read anywhere that either side was interested in the jack-booted thug factions being allowed to reassemble, even in local affairs. The Russians had enough of that type to easily supply Eastern Europe with enforcers as the new generation was trained and the West had military controls in the occupation forces until the civil authorities were able to regain control. Note that West Germany had anti-Nazi laws that persist to this day throughout Germany.
