The Ukrainian situation

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  1. Petrozza

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    Tiresome and disgusting? Then, don't read :D
    Unlike most left wing websites, that I am sure you frequent, we allow free speech here, always have and always will.
     
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    This mindset flies in the face of all the evidence. There was no validity to the Russian collusion story and Putin literally annexed Crimea under Obama and waited until Trump was out of office to invade Ukraine.

    But orange man bad and said mean things so screw the facts right?

    It was reported yesterday that Trump told Putin he'd bomb Moscow if he invaded Ukraine while he was President. You hate the person Trump is so much that you've created an alternate reality to justify not giving him any credit.
     
  3. papapump

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    Yes it is true, I do detest the POS. Having dealt with him in the 80’s, I have seen the real person. Unfortunately many of you buy into his con game.

    I do believe that the real GOP will resurface at some point, and reclaim their party. Until then, it’s business as usual.
     
  4. joelip

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    There is no doubt that both totalitarian states have histories of doing extremely bad things. Maybe China in recent years has done more bad things, but let's no forget that Russia also has a history of gulags. I haven't counted who has done more bad things in which time period. I do know that I have a hard time finding anything positive in either dictatorship. So, to me, your question sounds something like, "Which would you rather eat, vomit or feces?"
     
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  5. Kryoptix

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    Not that.
    That Putin would have not attacked Ukraine if Trump was in office.
    That is pure speculation and the way Putin has acted (even to the surprise of Russian Oligarchs and the russian army itself) let me believe that Trump or not he would have attacked Ukraine.
     
  6. Acad23

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    As this thing heated up... I knew they'd quickly get around to blaming Trump for it.
    https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-contributor-ukraine-fault-trump-administration

    And of course this think piece is worried about how Biden's dwindling polling numbers could usher Trump back into office.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/russia-ukraine-s-conflict-isn-t-biden-s-fault-many-ncna1289733

    Ahhh... the mental gymnastics required by these neo-progressives to shade themselves from reality is amazing to witness.
     
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  7. joelip

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    What indication was there they China would oppose a Russo-Ukrainian war?

    China has made significant investments in the Ukraine and has had close economic ties. There were some small hopes among diplomatic circles that these financial incentives might inspire China to encourage Russia to apply some brakes on its careen toward war.

    China–Ukraine relations - Wikipedia

    Why in the world would anyone in our government, let alone at the executive branch level, trust them with any information?

    When the information is known or about to be known in the immediate future by everyone involved. Russia knew where their troops were. Russia knew we had satellites that showed where their troops were. Maybe China gave them some U. S. satellite pictures their had a certain resolution or some lenses they didn't know about. Maybe these technical revelations will be made obsolete next week when a new spy satellite is launched.

    The point is: I don't know and you don't know what new information about U. S. capabilities China provided to Russia. I don't know and you don't know what kind of a risk/reward analysis was made by U. S. intelligence operatives to have them decide that it was worth a shot. Personally, I'm glad to see that our nation left no stone unturned in an attempt to forestall the appalling bloodshed we now see playing out.

    They are a worse dictatorship than Russia is because they actively engage in genocide against a certain population of people.

    There is no doubt that both totalitarian states have histories of doing extremely bad things. Maybe China in recent years has done more bad things, but let's no forget that Russia also has a history of gulags. I haven't counted who has done more bad things in which time period. I do know that I have a hard time finding anything positive in either dictatorship. So, to me, your question sounds something like, "Which would you rather eat, vomit or feces?"
     
  8. Acad23

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    I happened to catch his monologue.

    "Basically" what he said was that we should be taking care of our own border and our own citizens before dicking around with a foreign nuclear power... and also focus on the threat that China pose to the U.S.

    Isolationist to some... logical to others.
    As usual, his rhetoric tends to go against the rhetoric out of the left...
     
  9. BrowningNagle

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    Biden can’t kick them off SWIFT, he’s the American president not the international banking president



    As for oil production, I suppose he could invoke the defense production act, requiring private businesses to get into the oil & gas business because Europe is running low but idk if that’s really necessary, yet
     
  10. joelip

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    Hey, I totally support your right to post tiresome, stupid driveI, even when it makes me want to retch because I think you're giving comfort to a murderous despot!
     
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    considering they border Russia and are close allies I don’t think they would want any instability

    cant trust them at all, I agree, but Xi did ask Putin to consider talks and now they are so, who knows
     
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    Is Putin a Jet fan?

    Oh, the irony!
     
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    Wasn't it actually you that bought into his "con game"?

    Maybe my memory is off...
     
  15. REVISion

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    It's possible to think someone is an asshole while simultaneously thinking they look out for your country's best interests better than the other candidates.

    Another reason these sanctions are toothless is because too much of the world relies on Russian oil. Which party is the one shutting down fracking and pipelines?
     
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    I appreciate your rational explanation. Regarding isolationism, you know, I recently have been reading some of Lindbergh's speeches, and there are long patches in which he makes logical arguments that sound remarkably what I'm hearing today. If I had been alive in 1939 and 1940, I think I would have said, "This guy makes a lot of sense." And I would have been terribly wrong.

    The American Experience | Lindbergh | Des Moines Speech (pbs.org)
    CHARLES A. LINDBERGH: War and Peace: Two Historic Speeches (charleslindbergh.com)
     
  17. Jonathan_Vilma

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    They won’t even call it a war or invasion on their state run media dude. They have rules of engagement as to how they’re allowed to talk about it. China can do without the Ukraine.
     
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    You’re straight up missing the point, with all due respect. The reason Putin doesn’t give a flying fuck about any of these sanctions is because his oil and gas money is protected from all of it which accounts for 40-50% of their GDP and the majority of the money that flows to the oligarchs.

    The reason that Europe can’t vote in agreement in getting them off SWIFT is because they rely too much on the oil and gas from Russia. The US can’t currently provide an alternative to them because we’ve actively taken an environmentally friendly approach under Biden to appease the progressive wing.
     
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  19. joelip

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    So your explanation of why Putin didn't attack during Trump's administration is that Putin maybe was afraid of what Trump might do in defense of the Ukraine? Well, we do know that Trump was so determined to defend the Ukraine at all costs that he blocked a congressionally mandated military aid package of $400 million in a bid to extort Ukranian collusion with his re-election campaign.

    Trump–Ukraine scandal - Wikipedia
     
  20. BrowningNagle

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    That’s your theory but ya know the USA is a net exporter of oil & gas so your last sentences are just incorrect unless you are just ranting and acknowledge it’s not based on any facts
     
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