The Ukrainian situation

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  1. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    Just in by who? Dr. Bitcoin's covert journalism from the frontlines?
     
  2. jetophile

    jetophile Bruce Coslet's Daughter

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    I half hope someone on the inside turns on Putin, someone he trusts who secretly hates him, puts a bullet behind his ear. Of course that means certain death, but I doubt that ever happens. One, because they're puppets and cowards and two, I'm sure everyone near him is frisked in every body cavity.

    President Zelensky is no longer wearing civilian clothes. He's in military uniform now and there's no indication that he's going to try to scurry like a roach into any country who will take him. The captain is going down with the ship.
     
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    It is true that there would not have been a war with Trump in office. He would have turned his head , and let his comrade do whatever he wanted. Trump for all of his bluster, is a pussy.
     
  4. BrowningNagle

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    Yup. Trump thinks it’s wonderful what Putin is doing
     
  5. Petrozza

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    Isn't Putin currently doing exactly what he wants? :rolleyes:

    P.S. We are still buying Russian oil despite all these "sanctions." What a joke!
     
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    Fucker Carlson downplayed this war as “a border dispute” by the way and asked his viewers why they should hate Vladimir Putin.


    “It might be worth asking yourself, since it is getting pretty serious, ‘What is this really about? Why do I hate Putin so much?’” he said. “‘Has Putin ever called me a racist? Has he threatened to get me fired for disagreeing with him?’"

    Good call dumb fuck
     
  7. joelip

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    Yeah, Carlson is basically saying that we should hate other Americans who have different political views more than we should hate the murdering dictator, Putin. And some people still take this clown seriously? If I want to hear Russian propaganda, I'll go straight to RT.
     
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  8. Petrozza

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    One of many pictures from Kiev...
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    Ukrainian soldiers are pictured forming up across a highway in Kyiv as they prepare to defend the city from Russian attackers, with gunfire and explosions heard in the centre of the capital

    Is this a joke? They are just laying down in the open, "as they prepare to defend the city from Russian attackers." Not sandbags available in Kiev? Looks like a silly propaganda photo op (with
    St. Andrews church conveniently being in the background)
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  9. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    There wasn’t a war while Trump was in office, nor was there any threat of war. So we the two Presidents juxtaposed next to each other paint an interesting picture when you see Russian aggression occurred during Obama and Biden while they remained at bay with Trump sandwiched in between.

    All the while, Trump attacked Putin’s comrades in China with a trade war to try to weaken them.
     
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    Don't forget that now we have "adults" in charge in Washington DC.
     
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    So what's your theory about the kinds of things Trump would have been doing to avoid war? Would they involve meeting the Ukranian people's intense hunger for independence and freedom? If so, would Putin have been satisfied with the foiling of his longstanding desire to reconstitute the USSR? Also, would Trump's steps have insured the ability of Ukraine to better their lives materially by leaning increasingly toward Western-style democracy and capitalism? If so, how would that have gone over with Putin, who is fearful of Western-style states on his border?
     
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    I believe if Putin did the exact same things he’s doing but wore a turban there would be a much different take from the Trumps/Carlsons of this country



    I also think it’s important to consider that for an entire generation the only wars we’ve seen have been in the Middle East & Asia.

    Trump tells his base it’s wonderful what Putin is doing but his base is used to seeing Arab folks blown up in wars, they aren’t used to seeing white folks and that base, if you know what I mean, tends to feel differently about these groups of people
     
  13. Jonathan_Vilma

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    What theories do I need, bro? It didn’t happen when he was President. It happened before and after he was President with two guys that were in the same party and same administration together.

    Other than Crimea and the Ukraine, they also got involved in Syria while Obama was in office, and had no problem invading Georgia while W. was still in office in 2008.

    Maybe it’s pure coincidence? I don’t think so though. If you want to knock Trump in foreign policy, you can maybe say as @REVISion sort of alluded to in that he’s a loose cannon who the world was scared of. But at least that kept dickheads like Putin at bay.
     
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    Any tips on how to guard against American neo-con propaganda?
     
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    Good point if this was Iran instead of Russia i am sure he would praise Iran right to defend their influence over western influence nations?
     
  16. joelip

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    The snide comments about Biden on this site are to me tiresome and disgusting. Like him or not, Biden is now our Commander-in-Chief in a cold war with totalitarian Russia. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with Biden's policies and suggesting what you think would be more effective policies. But to continually paint Biden as an incompetent oaf whom no American supports gives comfort to the enemy.

    Even in your stupid example: Did Russia not know where their troop buildups were going? Did they not know that U. S. satellites and intelligence measures could determine their troop movements? Also, there were at some point indications that the Chinese would oppose a war in the Ukraine. Was it not worth a try to try to avert the war by getting the Chinese more forcefully to push for negotiation? Sometimes I wonder whose side some of the people on this site are on.
     
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    I do not know if american think he is serious and truly believe him but the evidence of the split is already in the thread. Very few talk about how to sanction Russia or defend Ukraine but A LOT of people are mentionning "Whataboutism" regarding Trump as president instead of Biden. Basically partisanship.
     
  18. Jonathan_Vilma

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    What indication was there they China would oppose a Russo-Ukrainian war? Why in the world would anyone in our government, let alone at the executive branch level, trust them with any information?

    They are a worse dictatorship than Russia is because they actively engage in genocide against a certain population of people.
     
  19. Jonathan_Vilma

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    There are many aspects to this war that include politics and that doesn’t exclude the President or former President. Politics is a part of war whether you like it or not.

    The sanctions and actions required to stop Russia more aggressively are not being levied for political reasons. Ramping up oil drilling in the United States so that they can remove Russia from the SWIFT banking system and sell our oil and gas products to Europe.

    Biden won’t do that because he promised the progressive wing to turn the country green. Those folks helped get him elected.

    How is that not an important political tie in?
     
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    Yes, the general principal applies. Anytime I read a comment by somebody (particularly on the internet, since the internet is highly vulnerable to impersonation), I ask, "Who is this person? Can I get information on who they are? What are their motivations? Whom does their comment benefit?" Basically, this is a more general application of "follow the money."

    So, I think it's important to apply such questions to everything I read. So, your point of view about the U. S. now bipartisan response to Putin's Ukraine aggression is that it smacks of neoconservatism?
     
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