It comes down to Zach taking a big jump in year 2. We didn't really see that with Sam. Something like a 3900 yard, 26 TD, 13 INT season where the progress is material. Another draft class like 2021 will certainly help, but the QB needs to do his part.
Also not strictly true either is it, every team is different, the Browns have what could be a very good team but i'd say the QB is holding them back, how long did it take to build that squad? So are the Rams and 49ers rebuilds not classed as 12 and 7 years in the making? Did the new guys come in and scrap everybody and redraft the squad in that one offseason or did they use a lot of parts that the previous coaches couldn't get the best out of? Regardless I only said you can't compare JD's spell to Kotite's spell, they are not comparable, different scenarios completely.
Gase, one of the most hated coaches on our history, took over a 4-11 Bowles team and went 7-9. JD takes over the roster and has gone 6-27 over two years. The only worse record in the league over JDs tenure has been the Jags. Think about that. There is only one team worse than a JD built Jets team. And that has been with the most building resources in the league at his disposal. JD has assembled terrible rosters. Not sure why anyone would want to sugarcoat that.
All this is true, but it also depends on the level of talent a GM/HC inherits to start with. What Douglas inherited was one of the least talented rosters in the NFL if not THE least talented, plus arguably the worst HC in their history which he had to live with for a year before he could really even begin to make progress. All the Cincy comparisons have to be taken with a bag of salt. Yes, their OL was (is) terrible, but they had a much better receiving corps than the Jets do. All that said, I do agree the team needs to make a big jump this season...maybe not playoffs, but they need to be competitive in most games and be in the hunt at the end. And Zach needs to show he can be the FQB.
That just isn't true though, you can sit in your darkened room all night if you like but the Jets do possess some good players and not just good because we are used to shit. AVT, Becton, Fant, Carter, Moore, Maye, Mosley, Williams (q), Lawson (c), JFM, Fatukasi, Hall, Berrios ( yes, Berrios) These players would all excel on other teams. I could put another 6,7 or 8 down as next level down that would probably show up a lot better on other teams than currently showing atm due to inconsistency. It just isn't as dark as you want to make out. We need a spark there is no doubting that, Wilson needs to be that spark alongside Saleh or it will be another long 2 seasons.
It can’t be classified as 7 or 12 year rebuilds because the roster from even the first playoff appearance on most of these squads has likely been turned over. The new regimes came in and instantly had winning off seasons that turned the franchise around. Even if the Jets have taken longer than that, next off-season is a put up or shut up scenario. Significant progress should occur or the Jets are morons to not wonder if they should make a move.
Gase went 7-9 his first year but that was with a cupcake schedule. The next year revealed how shitty of a HC he was. And even in his 7-9 year they lost to two previously winless teams. JD had two drafts and two FA periods to assemble the roster. Given how absolute shit the talent was when he got here, I'm not sure why anyone who knows anything about football couldn't see that.
There is a huge difference. Burrow looked like one of the best rookie QBs I'd ever seen his first year. The level he was playing at was mind blowing. People were saying Lawrance was the next Andrew Luck, but Burrow was already the next Luck. Now they'll be saying, "...looks like the next Joe Burrow". We don't have that.
Oh come on that season was the easiest schedule the Jets had had for an eternity and they were still that bad under Gase that two teams that were Zero Wins said hello Jets and smacked us about. You are football clever enough to know this though and are just doing the opposite of sugarcoating.
Right, the 2020 and 2021 Jets rosters were not great. And we all assumed it was because he was re-building from the bottom up, not because he is a complete moron as a General Manager. That is why the 2022 Jets need to succeed. If they don't, then you can start to question Joe Douglas. I think they will succeed though and we will see that his plan is working.
I don't think the pressure placed on JD is fair. As if Joe had anything to do with McCagnans f*ck ups? But it isn't any different for anyone else......
You listed a bunch of guys who would start on other teams. Which is good, but none of them are star players (Mosley used to be but isn't anymore). Well there was Berrios who played return man at an elite level, but if your best guy is a returner, that isn't ideal. Anyway, the overarching point here is that a fan of any team can list several players on his team who are decent. And if a fan of some other team did that, you wouldn't have even heard of those players. Well, in that light, aside from Mosley (and maybe Q Williams becuase he was a top 5 pick), pretty much nobody outside of Jets fans or real football nerds has heard of the guys on your list.
So in all reality, they had a better starting point than JD then? I understand that the squads will have been turned over by 12 years I was being a little funny ( I want another word in there but I can't spell the fucker lol) but certainly they will have been left with some talent is all I meant. JD came in a stripped the place bare and then again after Gase, I still say that first JD draft was all done for Gase, the players he wanted etc it says a lot on how badly they have bombed, yet to see if Becton the one shining light from last year pans out moving forward.
Excuse me, you quoted me back to continue this conversation. So just when did I ever say, 'star players'?
Sure the 2019 team wasn't very talented. And JD assured us that he would change that, and give our QB the tools to succeed. His solution was GVR, McGovern, Frank Gore, and Perriman - with a draft of Becton and Mims to help. The result was one of the worst seasons we've ever had. Only one team has been worse than the Jets since JD has been building us.
There’s a difference between drafting players for a specific scheme and them not being a perfect fit and drafting players and they can’t even get on the field. Whether it’s argued that Gase made all the selections or Douglas made the selections to fit what Gase wanted to do, a lot of those guys can’t even get on the field. Greg Van Roten was bad in both schemes. Zuniga, Perine, Clark, and Mims can’t even get on the field. Ashtyn Davis is awful and Braden Mann is a bad punter. I don’t think these are scheme related issues. I think these are talent related issues. If they were talented enough, they’d have a purpose even if it wasn’t a perfect fit.
