It makes me feel optimistic

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  1. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    There is nothing magic about 300 yards. In fact it goes against the type of game plan and offense MLF is deploying.
     
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    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    12 out of the top 15 teams in passing yards made the playoffs. Philly and Tennessee were the only that didn’t make it. So 300 isn’t necessarily the correct bench mark, but we need to be able to wing the ball around the yard to succeed.
     
  3. cval

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    Yes and no. It depends on your personel and philosophy. If you are playing a high scoring team controlling the clock and keeping the ball away from them makes sense.

    With that being said you have to score points. If our can put 25-30 points a game I couldnt care ess if our QB ever threw for 300 yard.

    There are just to many factors to say 300 yards passing is a good bench mark for how good a game a QB had.
     
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    I have to disagree with you a little here in the sense that I do want to see Wilson having a bunch of 300 yard games. I don't want to see 50-60 rushes in a game and 15-20 pass attempts. This is 2022, not 1962.

    In addition, it may not control the clock like running the ball does, but one can keep the ball away from the other team using the passing attack like a rushing attack and move the ball down the field steadily.
     
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    I would not mind he throwing for over 300 of we are winning. Garappolo has not the 9ers are winning.

    300 is arbitrary number and means very little to the success of the team.
     
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    Garoppolo has been absolutely awful in both of their playoff victories dude.
     
  7. cval

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    Yup, and they still won.
     
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    We don’t have the roster or defense to win games without above average QB play. So I’m not optimistic until he has atleast one Mike White/Josh Johnson type game in this offensive scheme.
     
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    So we’re looking for a Mark Sanchez prototype?
     
  10. cval

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    You are obviously not reading my posts. I am just saying a 300 yard measuring stick is very flawed. I would rather win the game then lose with my QB throwing for 400 yards . Throwing for 300 yards does not mean the QB or the offense or the team for that matter played well.
     
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    It’s now a definite that the Saints are being blown up especially with Sean Peyton’s departure. Should the Jets pursue any of the casualties?

    Possibly an Alvin Kamara, or a Michael Thomas. Either one, or both would be instant upgrades.

    Thoughts?
     
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    If we want to copy the Bengals, Kamara would be a big step in that direction.
     
  13. ColoradoContrails

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    No, there's nothing magical about 300 yds/game, and yes you CAN win with a QB who averages under that, but if you want to also win consistently then the rest of the "O" had better be above average - like it was with Sanchez in 2009/10. My preference is to have a QB who averages > 300 yds/game because that means he's probably got a few 400 yard games in there, and that also usually means that he's a QB who can carry a team when the rest of the offense isn't so great. I'm expecting Zach to be able to do that. If he shocks me and can't, then the Jets need to find someone who can.
     
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    Kamara would be a great addition.

    I also seem to remember that the Panthers were maybe looking to unload McCaffery - if he's healthy he might be worth the investment because he represents so many ways to hurt a defense.
     
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    It is not always on the QB. You have a balanced attack you don't necessarily need 300 yd games. It is a faulty measure of success. It could just mean you are playing from behind and have to throw more.

    I want to see high completion Percentage and third down conversion, no turn overs.

    Jamis Winston threw for plenty of 300yd games and still sucked.
     
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    I understand, and agree that by itself it doesn't mean much. As you said, a guy like Winston threw for a lot of yards but had a lot of T.O. which negated that yardage, so yeah, by itself 300+ yards/game can be misleading. That said, I want a QB who averages 300+ yards/game for the reasons I stated, and which presumes that he's not turning the ball over.
     
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    Brady gone! A couple of nice young FA's on Tampa who will be looking for a new home.
     
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    FAs available from Saints and Bucs..

    Who will prove their worth ...who will just cash checks:eek:
     
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    The 300 yards per game debate. To me is quite simple. Consistent winning teams most always have top QBs. Top QBs do it with their arm first and foremost. A strong running game provides a balanced attack, and mobility is a plus. But the number one criteria of a great QB is a precise and accurate passing arm, with a high TD to interception ratio to take the game over week after week. 300 or 250 or 400 is a mute point if you look at it in a vacuum. It’s completion percentage, yards per pass, high number of TDs versus interceptions, and capability to come from behind with wins thru the passing game. IMO, A top QB is feared for his passing talent, and ability to strike quickly. And like it or not that translates to higher net passing yards than the rest. If you are not a top QB, even on a top team, chances are you will be there only long enough till they find the guy. Such is the case with Jimmy G and Tannehill. A game manager QB does not cut it in Today’s NFL. Not for long. Wilson needs to grow into a game changer for us. Game manager will not be good enough.
     
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    This! ^

    You said it better than I did. The net result of a top QB achieving on that level will be 300 yards/game in likelihood.
     
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