I said going into 2023. Fant is a FA in 2023. I don't want to dump Fant at all, I've been one of his biggest fans on here.
ah gotcha. then you agree RT isn't an immediate need. we can get one next year and even take a later developmental one this year. I think we have bigger needs to spend our premium picks on. however if someone was to fall into the 2nd that should have been a 1st I'd be ok with the value pick
I agree that RT isn't an immediate need. What do you think of Ekwonu? He is considered by some to be the best OL in the draft. The Jets could draft him with the idea of his being the future RT, but play him at RG in 2022. If Fant has another great year, the Jets could decide to extend him, and just keep Ekwonu at RG until Fant's play falls off or his contract ends, and then move him to RT. Based on what I've read, they could possibly do the same thing with Kenyon Green. Would you be against doing something like that? It's amazing how many ways FA and the draft can go for us this offseason due to the talent level fitting our holes/needs. If there is a positive to being so bad, I guess this is it, but it also makes things so much more complex and difficult. Any way one chooses to go, one could still wind up with a glaring hole somewhere.
It's not an immediate need no, but the Jets are in a position at #4 to take one of two blue-chip OT prospects. I'd rather do that than take an injury prone CB or a safety.
in the top 10 grabbing a RG essentially who would have to switch doesn't make a lot of sense to me based on what the draft offers later on. we already spent 2 1sts on the o-line 2 years in a row. we have other needs. we need playmakers on defense. I think we should address RG and TE in the 2nd. in the 1st we should grab 2 defensive playmakers and hopefully 1 is an edge. I wouldn't be against hamilton and trade back for a LBer like dean or loyd. then use the extra 2nd on an edge and the other 2 2nds on a TE and RG. use the 4th on hamilton. that means with our top 4 picks (including a trade back) we could wind up with S hamilton LB dean or lloyd ED jackson, thomas, bonito, anders, enegbare RG zion johnson TE wydermeyer , mcbride, ruckert I think adding a playmaker at all 3 levels of defense is huge, especially an elite S who's a ballhawk and a beast run defender. a 3 down LBer who can QB the defense, and an edge to rotate with huff, Jfm, and lawson. then on offense we ad to the TE group and a RG. we could also look in FA for these 2 positions. it's a good TE class (everyone here love schultz from dallas) and also at RG there are some options (laken tomlinson would be nice)
I don't think as highly of ekwanu as others. I also wouldn't take a OT top 5 to play OG when we are set at OT. I'd rather have a difference maker on the other side of the ball like hamilton. I'l admit if hutch, KT, and hamilton go top 3 and we can't find a trade down, i'd be happy with neal
Many think Ekwonu will play RT in the NFL. I understand your point of view, and I tend to agree with it. We have other needs, and we don't need to spend 3-5 1st round picks on the OL to have a very good OL. That said, if JD took Ekwonu, I wouldn't be unhappy. I disagree that we need to take two defensive playmakers in the1st round. I don't think it even possible because we don't need a CB that high, and he's not going to take Hamilton at #4. The only way we could get two defensive playmakers is if we got Thibodeaux at #4 and Lloyd or Dean either at #10 or after a trade down. Nothing is as important as Zach developing. We need an elite WR for him. If he doesn't develop then it won't matter how good the D is. I couldn't disagree more with your idea of waiting until the mid or late rounds to take a WR that I've seen you espouse in other posts. I would love to get Thibodeaux at #4, but that's probably not going to happen, and I don't know if JD will like any of the other Edges rated as 1st rounders. I think he could wind up going LB or OL with pick #4 and I think pick #10 should be used to get an elite WR prospect.
IMO. Absolutely positively correct. Some people are confusing immediate need with draft priority. If the best value by far is RT @ that particular pick and you clearly will need to fill the position in the near future, you seriously consider that or trade down before you over reach for a position of immediate need. You draft for the future as well as the present,and you draft best value always. Sometimes drafting for immediate need can be the worst option if the value is not there. People are talking at key positions like OG, S and others as luxury picks, on a team with zero depth, zero pro bowlers and very few top performers. We have plenty of key positions to fill.
we don't need a CB I agree with you there but hamilton, edge, Lber we should get 2 of those positions IMO. the last 2 years was about building the trenches and getting a QB and some talent around him. now it's time to get guys for salehs system on defense. plus with JD we are almost guarenteed to take an edge and lineman. he's a strong believer of building the trenches as is saleh. But I also think hamilton is really hard to pass up at 4 if he's there. as far as needing an elite WR for him, I don't think we do. 1st off I don't think an elite WR exists in this draft. there are good ones but none i see with that top 5 in the NFL potential. last year only had chase for that, this year has none. elite players don't fall off trees which is why they are elite. I think moore is a legit WR1 i think davis is an above average 2, I think berrios is a good 4. we really just need a 3. we could also get a good FA WR like a big mike williams put him outside with davis, fits our sytem great as a big body blocker and red zone guy. that allows moore in the slot. berrios is WR4 and draft calvin austin III in the 5th round. thats a good group there. he isn't gonna develop if he's always playing from behind and can't run the system normall becuase he has to play catchup.
I still have more video to watch, but right now there are only three Edges that I really like in this draft: Hutchinson, Thibodeaux and Ebiketie. I haven't watched film on Ojabo or Cal Thomas yet, but don't like Karlaftis or Jermaine Johnson at all. Enagbare has potential and is fast, but very raw imo, and a little scary. I could see him busting. The talent we have around Zach is too little, and not of high enough quality. Moore could be, but he's not there yet. Davis is meh. He better be able to catch the ball this coming year or I'll be ready to launch him into the sun. Berrios is a #4 and may not even be back. At RB we have MC and that's it. At TE we have NO ONE, and you call those weapons? Saleh knows that he isn't going to win anything if Zach doesn't develop and succeed, no matter how good his D is. I think he is or will be totally on board with using a 1st or 2nd round pick on a WR plus adding one in FA. I think there is a WR in this draft class that has the potential to be elite: Treylon Burks. He has size, speed, great hands, can line up anywhere, can run the ball, is great with YAC and breaks tackles. He is a PERFECT scheme fit. He is a bigger Deebo Samuel, and I think he could possibly even develop into a Megatron lite. If the Jets don't take him they will be making a HUGE mistake imo. Mike Williams is probably too costly, and he's basically just a #2, a possession-type WR. He would be better than drafting Garrett Wilson, but couldn't begin to give us what Burks could give us. I think Burks will rise up the draft board following the Combine and workouts. If not, then maybe we could get a steal at the top of the 2nd round. I disagree that he won't develop without a good D. If anything, that could help his development as the Jets would be forced to pass more, and really help him and his WRs to get in a groove, if he has receivers that can get open and catch the ball. No competent NFL GM thinks that building his D will help his young QB develop, especially when the "weapons" (and I use that term lightly in the Jets' case) are so weak and nonexistent as they are on the Jets.
yeah I have more to watch as well so we'll see. i'll probably mostly focus on edge, WR, and LBer for this draft. We do need to address edge though. we need a 4 man rotation for salehs defense and right now we have lawson and JFM and huff and lawson is coming off a huge injury. as far as talent around zach I don't agree with that. we have moore, davis, berrios, carter. We do need a TE which we all agree on but injuries were the real issue here last year. when we were healthy even with white and johnson and flacco our offense was pretty potent. hell even against the bengals with mike white at QB we put up 34 points and 511 yards of offense. both really good numbers. that was without zach and corey davis. no player had 100 yards rushing or receiving (although carter had 172 total yards) that means we have a well rounded team. I think people are really selling carter and moore short IMO. as far as burks goes, I think he's overrated. He doesn't have elite film. he has issues getting seperation in college. his numbers are inflated for volume. actually on film he reminds me of denzel mims. he's better at YAC then mims but IDK how it'll translate to the NFL because he isn't very shifty or fast on film. he's just strong. his 40 time will make a big difference. I think he'll run in the mid 4.4s No way he's calvin johnson lite and he's not as good at YAC or route running then deebo. I just don't see it. Honestly and mind you, you are entitled to your opinion, but I think your underrating our talent on offense and overrating burks. burks last year would have been like the 6th WR taken. moore was a better prospect last year then burks is this year
To each his own. I'm not underrating anything. I love Carter and Moore, but they have to stay healthy and on the field. With them gone, Zach had little help. Injuries are a part of the game. One has to have depth, and the Jets didn't have good depth at either RB or WR. Before the season started, it looked like we would have good depth at both, but Coleman couldn't stay healthy, and Johnson couldn't/wouldn't block and can't catch a cold. Both need to be replaced. Depth is important as the schemes Saleh utilizes rotates RBs as much as it does DL. It doesn't believe in a "bell cow" RB. After Carter, we have nothing at RB. At WR Cole's probably gone, and I'm thinking Berrios could very well be gone. Davis and Moore alone aren't going to cut it. I love Moore's potential, but imo we never really saw in the season what we saw from him in TC. He is far from proven. Mims is probably done after TC. Jeff Smith sucks as do the other scrubs the Jets have. Your thinking that they have enough at WR is laughable to me. You're grossly overrating the talent of our offensive players, yet you accuse me of underrating them. One TE will not be enough, either, not only because of injury possibility, but because MLF wants to use two TEs on the field at the same time. The TE position is very important in this offensive scheme, arguably as important as WR. I also disagree with your assertion that because no WR or RB hit 100 yards that it means we have a "well-rounded" team. It means that none of our weapons (including Zach) are proven yet, and they all need to step up their game in the upcoming season. There is no reason why Moore shouldn't have multiple 100 yard games and the same goes for Carter or another RB in our rotation. If you don't think Burks looks he has elite potential, then I can't help you. With Burks size, catch radius and hands, he doens't have to always have separation. He knows how to use his body to shield the defender from the ball, he has a huge catch radius, leaping ability, and he has great hands. He can refine his moves and route running. He's not as polished as Wilson or Chase or Jefferson, but he's every bit as talented imo He isn't fast? ROFLMAO Guy, you need to get your vision checked!!!
Even if you feel Moore, Davis and a re-signed Berrios is a suitable top 3 WR, a questionable assessment IMO, the depth at the position is dire. Crowder and Cole, who are both free agents, combined for 79 catches and 896 yards this past season. As we saw through the year, those behind them are flat out not NFL caliber. Meanwhile Gabriel Davis was 6th on the Bills in targets this season and 4th among their receivers, in case we need a reminder of what quality depth for a young QB actually looks like.
The issue is with the salary cap, depth is hard to come by. How good would the packers be without adams on offense? that 1 loss makes their WR group the worst in the NFL. how about the cheifs without hill? 2 out of the 4 teams left have way worse depth at WR then we do. anyone can get injured. the reality is many teams who get banged up will never go anywhere. losing key players wrecks a season for any team. hell remember when the colts lost peyton manning and were the worst team. him alone dropped them 10 wins. the best teams stay healthy. look at the final 4 left. none of their major players are hurt really. the rams did lose robert woods but got lucky that odell fell into their lap to replace him. The jets last year had great depth, the issue is we lost our top 4 guys. no team losing their top 4 WRs have anyone behind them to make a difference. salary cap doesn't allow for it. it's not madden it's real life. now depending who we resign and sign in FA WR can be a need. as it stands now we only have 2 of them in davis and moore. crowder, cole, and berrios are all FAs and mims hasn't panned out. for RB i really like that walters kid. he looked good. better then coleman, perine, and ty. we could add a late RB as well in the draft. we don't need premium picks to fill these holes. there are plenty of good later RBs and WRs for us as far as TEs go we should sign and draft one. 2 new ones plus bring back kroft and keep yeboah and the TE room should be great. If we could land schultz and draft wydermeyer (or whatever TE you like) and kroft and yeboah that's a pretty good looking group IMO. I was talking about that 1 game. it means in a game with 500 yards of offense and no single player had 100 yards rushing or receiving is a good thing. and that was done with a backup QB and backup LT and missing our WR1. down 3 key positions to still put up 500 yards of offense with the ball spread is impressive.
berrios to me is more of a 4. we still need a WR3. I think that can be found later in the draft like 4th or later. we can also look at FAs. davis had 1 massive game where they focused on diggs. without diggs davis never does that. also it only makes my case that taking a WR later makes sense since he was a 4th round pick
We have your man Cager back as TE now I found out earlier, you did like him as a WR if remember rightly?
I liked him OK, primarily because he was tall and hoped he could be a red zone target and on 3rd downs. I was disappointed that he didn't work out. I'm not sure if things will be any different the second time around, but maybe with the added weight, if he has learned to block he can hang on as our #4 TE. If so, he'd have to better than Brown, and maybe even Wesco.
