Would You Want Any 2022 Coaching Candidates over Robert Saleh or any Rookie QB Over Zach Wilson?

Sorry man, this thread is not likely to age well.

 

I don’t really like these games, but I will say that the Jets lucked in this being a relatively week QB class. Are Corral and Pickett first round picks organically or are they first round picks because they’re the best of a bad bunch?

I like Corral a lot. He reminds me of Dak and has solid upside as a NFL runner. Not the best arm strength though likely has enough to get by. I liked Pickett last year because he was going to be a fourth round developmental pick. I don’t think he’s worth where he’s going to be selected

I wanted Daboll last year and I’d take Harbaugh over many coaches in this league so if he wanted to come here for some strange reason, I’d make that happen. I posted in the other thread that I think O’Brien is going to be a good second chance head coach although I’m not advocating that we try to get him.

 

We said something similar about Davis Mills last year before the draft lol

So hard to tell with QB's, this year 'generational' talent all over the place but the guy who has played the best blew two pro days and then Mills is in the top 3 (can't say Lance is the #2 as he hasn't played enough really).

Who's to say who can step up from 22's draft, but we won't be drafting one of them though that's for sure, maybe some needy team might deliver a fortune in draft picks to take our #4 and secure Pickett or Corral.

 

Harbaugh is the no brainer. Flores had two winning seasons in three years. Caldwell somehow got canned in Detroit after having three winning seasons in four years. Those are the HC's I would take over Saleh.

As for QB's, it appears to be a weak class. I get the whole sunk cost thing with Zach, but there's no clear upgrade. 2022 will be sink or swim with him.

 

If the Jets were in a different cycle and in more of competitive rebuild phase then Caldwell would be the guy imo. But we've started this build from the ground up. Gotta keep going with it at this point.

 

Shit or bust

"Shit or bust" is a vulgar English expression denoting a crunch time when a person has to (or chooses to) make a decision that will result either in success or in ruin.

I do like the use of the word vulgar

 

With almost certainty one would still take Wilson over Fields, Lance and Jones. Over TL is questionable. Wilson has greater upside but IMO TL is more of a sure thing.
With Wilson it all comes down to confidence. If he is playing with confidence his mechanics are good, he is extremely accurate, he gets the ball out quickly and efficiently and he has great pocket presence and mobility.

But, we have seen what happens when he loses his confidence he hesitates, his nechanics fall apart, he loses his pocket presence and starts taking the kind of big hits that guys like Justin Fields routinely take. Wilson is not big enough to play as badly as Fields nor can we afford a QB that takes sacks and fumbles at even half the rate of a guy as bad as Fields.

The positive on Wilson is he rebounded from adversity strongly and put together 3 really good games in a row with no weapons or OL. The negatuve is he fell apart so badly after the Carolina game. Will he do this again under adversity? I don't expect him or even care to see him have many games like he did against Tennessee or TB where he single handedly elevated the team. What I want to see is him continue to run the offense efficiently, making quick decisions, getting the ball out on time.

The key here to Wilson’s success is building a team around him. They say a good defense is the best way to help a young QB. Give us a defense where we are not down 14 points before his 1st pass. He had 68 snaps this year with Moore and Carter on the field. Give him some weapons that can beat man coverage. Berrios and were horrible at getting separation against man coverage. We need someone else besides Moors to step up.

I am excited to see how he progresses during the offseason. The kid is light years ahead on the mental game and making the right reads. He just needs the confidence and a better supporting cast to put it all together. I expect to see the Jets try to build on their run 1st approach and do all they can this offseason to make it easier for Wilson. IMO our biggest problem nest year will be having to play 6 games a year in the AFC east. That is 6 brutal games against really good defenses.

 

I'd take Harbaugh in a second over Saleh.

If we could trade Zach to Detroit for their 2nd, getting some of his cost back, I'd go for it. But I wouldn't pick a QB with the second overall, or in the first round period.

 

your asking the same group that wanted urban meyer and baker mayfield. not that sam turned out any better he was worse but what we want and think don't really matter.

 

I'd take Harbaugh, Daboll and Pederson over Saleh without question.

Saleh has not been good at all. I really don't know what good reason there is to be optimistic about him. He inherited a far better roster than Gase had yet the team barely improved. That should tell us that he's likely not a very good coach at all.

Regarding the QB's - I'd still take Lawrence over Wilson but I'd take Wilson over Fields, Lance, Jones.

 

Is Mac Jones TGGs new Josh Allen? This place denied Allen's success for more than a year after he established himself, just because he wasn't our QB.

Wilson isn't even in Jones league at this point. He runs that offense at a high level and has gained an understanding of defenses that Zach can still only dream about. He knows presnap where the open guy is going to come free, and makes nearly all the throws on the money - and he has less talent at the skill positions than we do. His reads and progressions are top notch. Even if you want to call him just a game manager, he manages their offense at a very high level - especially for a rookie. He's basically becoming a new Pennington, except he's taller and has no injuries. In a year or two you'll never be able to fool him with looks and he'll be one of the smartest QBs in the league. I'd take Jones in a NY minute over Wilson.

 

Look out!

 

Would take several of the coaches over Saleh. Include the 2022 veteran QBs that could/would be available and then were talkin'

 

Definitely Wilson over any of the other QBs. I disagree that TK is more of a sure thing. I have ZERO concerns with Zach's confidence. Now that he is knows the offense and is feeling comfortable in the scheme, and is learning what he can and can't do in the NFL, I don't think his confidence in himself will ever waiver again. The arrow is definitely pointing up.

I think "they" are dead wrong (with regards to the bold). IMO the best way to help a young QB, is a great OC, a solid OL, and great weapons around him.

 

So you're saying there is no hope for Fields then?

 

While I agree weapons and OL are great for a QB I also believe a good defense is a young QBs best friend and best asset. A good defense means a young QB rarely has to play from behind, can stay in rhythm more often as he not on the sidelines for long stretches, there is a lot less pressure and he has to do less, he will make less mistakes trying to keep up with another offense. Certainly, a better offense helps the defense but it goes both ways.

Regardless, I hope the Jets can improve the entire team enough where ZW does not have to play great just for the team to stand a chance. It would be wonderful to be able to be competitive even when the QB is not playing well.

I am excited for the off-season and the start of FA on March 16th. It is not that far away.

 

I wouldn't say that. He's got a ton of physical talent. I wouldn't give up on him yet.

 

I was being a little facetious, Noam's post had 4 digs at Fields in quick succession to big up Wilson, just big up Wilson if that is your aim