Tankathon - 2021 Edition

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  1. Sack exchange

    Sack exchange Well-Known Member

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    Agree with you on Jones!


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    mrjet80 Well-Known Member

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    And yet they never advance come playoff time. Hard to figure …. That OL can dictate a game. Plenty of weapons. And now they have Parsons wrecking opponents game plans…..I’m really interested in how their post season is gonna turn out this year…
     
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    Sack exchange Well-Known Member

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    There is some little luck involved, getting ceedee over Riggs and jeudy was lucky, parsons fell cause teams were all in on “potential” on not ready QBs. But definitely they knew the talent that fell to them and jumped on it.


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    There could be good argument to take ceedee over becton. I actually liked wirfs. But if we took ceedee, our WR room would be top 10, pairing him with Moore, add in Davis, crowder and berrios. Maybe we pass on mims, and draft a developmental guard. The drafts are hard, but wrong choices last for many years.


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    the biggest difference is that the Cowboys are relatively set at QB and so they don't need to keep forcing the issue and burning draft capital on drafting QBs - if you include the cost to trade up then in the last few drafts we have spent 2 top 3 first round picks and 3 second round picks on QBs - that is basically at least 3 or 4 starting quality players we don't have (and that's not to mention that if we had a QB we could've taken an extra 2 first rounders from the niners to trade back in the last draft)
     
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    Will McClay is their guy.
     
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    Talking about CD lamb like Justin Jefferson was not a better pick.......

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    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    I don’t know why everyone is always trying to dunk on the Cowboys. They have consistently drafted well the past decade. Their flaws come out on the contract side of things.

    I extensions for Elliot and Smith were I’ll advised, and then playing hardball with Prescott didn’t make any sense. Then they handled the Cooper contract poorly by letting him get to free agency.
     
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    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    While true, they usually do get decent deals because they generally insist on the sixth year and end up with a lot of maneuverability as a result of it. They just overreacted to Zeke and Smith because they thought they were the next coming of Walter Payton and Ray Lewis after good years.

    Agree on Cooper as well. I’ve never liked him because the guy gives up on so many plays. What I think hamstrings they in contract negotiations is the fact that Jerry publicly and privately spoils them with compliments (and maybe other things) like they’re his children.

    As much as the Dak negotiation was publicly ugly, they did the better thing for the organization. Dak is really good and deserves to be paid well. But they didn’t want the franchise to deteriorate around them. Dak also turned down a monstrous extension before he got hurt. The public sorrow for him after he got hurt was awful in my opinion. Guy hedged and lost. And still won in the end. Yet everyone was crying for him (looking at you Ryan Clark).
     
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    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    Cooper 4 Years FA
    Prescott 4 Years FA pending
    Elliot 6 Years Ext with 2 years left, 8 years total
    Lawrence 5 Years Ext
    Smith 5 Years Ext

    What do you mean about the 6th year? The only one who got it was Elliot, and he probably needed it the least since he still had 2 years remaining at the time of extension.
     
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    NYJFOREVER Well-Known Member

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    They're two different types of players. Jefferson is a great receiver, but so is CeeDee. CeeDee is a freak with the ball in his hands.
     
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    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Sorry to generalize about sixth year. Extra year* but wait - didn’t Lawrence and Smith sign a 5 year extension while they played through their last year? Does that not essentially make it a six year deal?

    I forget what happened with Dak. One side wanted the extra year and another didn’t. Regardless of what the Cowboys did or didn’t want, they lucked out with not over-extending Cooper. They’ll probably lose Gallup, but they have CeeDee on the roster and can replenish the pool with a draft pick or two.
     
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    That is for sure, lamb is second best receiver in that draft for sure. But good none the less.


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    I don't know. Claypool and Lambs stats are pretty much the same. IMO they are tied for 2nd best.
     
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    Maybe it’s semantics but generally the way you phrased it refers to the length of the extension vs the total years under contract.

    Either way, 5 year extensions are not particularly uncommon, and with the short term nature of the NFL, I personally don’t think those extra years are that big of a deal unless you’re talking about QB’s.
     
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    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I think you’re being a bit nitpicky but that’s fine.

    Regardless, the point is that Dallas generally drafts and retains all their top drafted talent and navigates the cap well even if the waters get muddy here and there when they negotiate.
     
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    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think they navigate the cap in an above average fashion honestly. I think there are a couple of franchises who are really good at handling the cap, the vast majority are fine at it (by that I mean I could handle it about as well as they do if it was a full time job) and a couple are bad at it. Once you know your way around it, the cap isn’t really that complicated. The Cowboys fall into the fine category in my opinion.

    Decision making in regards to who and when to sign, and negotiating is what really sets franchises apart when it comes to the contract side of things. That’s what I think the Cowboys are bad at. I think Jerry Jones is more involved in that side, and he becomes overly attached to players. He is very nostalgic for Cowboys players.

    Running the finances of a team is far more complicated than the salary cap itself. And please understand when I say I could do it about as well as they do, it’s not that I think I’m so smart or such an amazing expert. The salary cap itself is pretty straightforward, once you learn it’s workings.

    The who, when, and negotiating are obviously related to the salary cap by nature but organizationally, they really are different skill sets.
     
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    How do they not navigate it well? The only above average player they’ve lost to FA in the past decade that I can remember is Byron Jones. Maybe DeMarcus Ware but he was out of his prime anyways. They’ve retained Fredericks, Martin and Tyron Smith for their entire careers.

    They haven’t been players in FA in terms of winning but they add supplemental pieces every year. They generally don’t need to make splashy signings because they draft so well.
     
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    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    What I was trying to say is that navigating the cap successfully isn’t really a praiseworthy skill. Maybe in the 90’s to early 2000’s, but now all of the franchises know how it works. Almost no one really screws up the cap.

    It’s kind of like congratulating an adult for successfully using the bathroom and washing their hands after.

    There are only a couple of franchises who really have an advantage when it comes to manipulating the cap, and there are only a couple who do a bad job.

    I’m differentiating between cap navigation and negotiating/decision making prowess in regards to player retention. Between these two skills and prospect evaluation, the Cowboys are the best at evaluation, which also happens to be the most important.
     
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    and of course Dak was a fourth round pick…that we passed on more than once…yet we j7moed on Bryce Petty…we take fourth round QBs and end up with Bryce Petty or James Morgan…
     
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