Have you seen Cam Newton play? Any rational Jets fan would be far more concerned with the state of our defense than some shitty throws by a rookie quarterback. You have almost an entire defensive squad that is an abject failure from the coaches on down. Let's fix that dumpster fire before hyper focusing on some errant throws. No quarterback can win with a defense that gives up clock and points on nearly every drive... it's fucking ridiculous.
Jets fans had a few choices when it came to their preference in the draft. Draft Wilson Draft Jones Draft Lance Draft Fields Trade back and try to draft one of the above Trade back and don't draft a QB I didn't see too many people advocating for Jones or Lance. Several people advocated for Fields and they guy has been every bit as "bad" as Wilson. Considering he has an elite playmaker in Robinson, I'd say he's been worse. Yet his supporters are the most vocal. The best counter argument to drafting Wilson is trading out of the spot. Who's buying the argument we should have drafted Fields? Anyone? Not me.
Fair enough but the last sentence I completely disagree with. First off, I’m not praising him, I’m more than happy to point to his faults, high sailing balls on short passes, going through his reads, and the like, but far more important, you well know improving the coaching and team around any player does wonders to improve the performance, particularly for a rookie QB green behind the ears.
That's not something that can be fixed at this point. The defense can be altered. Pieces will be added. It will hopefully look much better next season. The QB position Is obviously the most important piece for every football team. You can do a lot of things to make a defense better, hide certain flaws, etc . We ain't shit without that QB. Which we've been trying to figure out for years now. Wilson, can and should be better by the end of this season. The progress of this QB has nothing to do with our shitty defense right now. Wilson winning or losing isn't the issue. Pointing the finger at an entirely different aspect of this team doesn't absolve the shitty QB play so far from Wilson. So, no. I'm not going to wait for this defense to be fixed. That makes zero sense and has nothing to do with Wilson's ability to show that he belongs In this league.
I'm guessing a different tune would be singing if we had picked Fields, even though he's been just as bad if not worse. Fields was basically our other QB choice. Who's signing up for that? Not me. 4 TD's in 10 games. Yikes!!
We ain't shit with the defense we have... there's not a quarterback in the league that can win games with our defense as it stands now. How is Zach gonna improve if the defense can't put the ball in his hands? That should be priority #1... the flaws of Zach Wilson will get ironed out or he'll be Sanchized. Zach has gotten better... the defense has gotten worse...way worse. Watch the Pats@Bills game tonight and tell me that Mac Jone's ceiling is higher than Zach's. Surrounding the quarterback with a solid defense and a few good skill players is the way to win games. Always has been.
I make the comparison because Lawrence was the golden boy of this draft class, the generational prospect. Fans and analysts around the league need to temper their expectations of rookie QBs. Rookie QB success is the exception, not the norm.
I completely understand. I'm just saying that no one will be saying we should have picked Lawrence over Wilson because that was y an option. But you can take the position that we should have have taken Fields, Lance or Jones. You can make an argument for Jones. Lance is still not ready to play and at #2 that would have been a real risky pick. And Fields? Not sure how you can make an argument for him at this point. I'm sure when he throws is next TD (assuming it's this year) you will hear people saying we should have picked him.
I’ve already admitted his ball placement wasn’t perfect, as have most of the people on this board but clearly it was good enough, otherwise his numbers would’ve been worse. I agree that he needs to work on his ball placement if he wants to fully maximize his potential though. You, like most people on this board (myself included), have wanted to see progress from Wilson but when he has “probably his best game as a PRO” in his 8th start, that’s not only not progress but somehow concerns you? Isn’t that sort of a contradictory statement?
He looked good because it was see receiver throw to where receivers going. When he’s struggled, he looks like he’s thinking is it cover 3, cover 2, ah fuck where’s the robber there he is.. abort! Abort! Fuck I threw it already and it skips into the ground. Less thinking is better when you’re drinking from a fire hose.
I did notice on some of his short passes yesterday that he actually put some touch on them and didn’t just rifle them in there, not all of them but some, which is progress. He needs to work on his touch and ball placement if he wants to fully maximize his potential. The good thing is I felt like both of those were markedly improved yesterday when compared to his first few starts.
This is it right here. He has the yips. Early in the year, he was hitting guys in the hands and those guys were turning those passes into interceptions. They were not perfect passes but those guys needed to make some plays for their rookie QB. Who do you throw too? Well, he finally has his guy. He could use one or 2 more and a TE but it's a start. Is Wilson the kind of player that has a breakout game and never looks back? I wanna believe.
I saw a few examples of him working through his progressions and making a throw yesterday but I definitely agree that he gets a little “jittery” in the pocket. I think that has more to do with being a rookie but time will tell. That’s why we we’re all so high on LaFleur and this “Shanahan-system”, it’s supposed to make a QB’s life easier.
By playing good when he has the ball In his hands. You act like he doesn't get the same opportunity as other rookies or vets do In this league. It's not like he hasn't had chances to play, he has. That's the problem obviously. When he has had the chance, he hasn't looked good. That obviously needs to change. I don't want to hear about adding playmakers, etc.. I have already seen a very effective offense with these same playmakers and scheme, with the backups. I've yet to see It with, Wilson. There Is a reason for that and we can only hope Wilson can figure It out.
I guess I just don't believe It was significant progress. The same issues are there. It easily could've been another story If a few of those passes weren't dropped by the other team as well. It wasn't anything that got me overly excited. It wasn't anything that brought ease to my mind. I'm not sure how anyone feels all that more confident after that game. Maybe I really am just biased. Doesn't matter. Hopefully that progress shows through a bit more against the Saints next week.
Yesterdays performance was a good example of progress. Only one turnover when we were down more than one score and it came after he ran 3 plays in almost two hours. He didn’t look scared in the pocket and he was definitive in his reads. I’m not sure how you can criticize him much for yesterdays game. It’s being extremely nitpicky to do so. It was a good example of what you want to see out of a rookie quarterback.
I get that. By no means do I think Wilson played perfect yesterday but I thought that he showed some improvement which is what we’ve all been asking for. Hopefully he keeps improving over the last 5 games.
It's easy to criticize when the bar has been set so low by his play on the field thus far. I will concede though, in terms of progress, just not In the same vein as you. I believe that this was his best game so far that he has played as a PRO. I know people will likely disagree, looking at stats, etc... It was his best game though for a few reasons. The turnovers though, could've/should've been more than they were though. His ball placement was that bad and It certainly wasn't just for the one horrible play where he did throw an INT. I thought he made better decisions overall, I thought he still struggled a bit pre-snap recognition, but It was better for sure. The slide protections are still an issue but considering who they were playing, I suppose that could be considered progress as well? That one Is hard to say for me at the moment. I want to see a game In which It feels like a complete game that you would want from a FQB. I want to feel like this Is the guy for this team. I haven't felt that yet, not even close. So as far as progress from a rookie QB, I need consistency, especially with the easy stuff. Which, btw, still didn't look all that great. Those balls In the flat were really off, still dirt balls, still throwing over the head, and now It seems he Is trying to throw fast balls on every throw now. That HAS to not only be better but needs to simply not be a damn problem. You can't have that shit at the QB position. So. I will concede, progress was had. It's just not nearly enough for my liking right now with where he Is currently as a QB. IMO
