People keep comparing Darnold and Wilson and that's just not a good comparison. Darnold made too many mistakes and he cost the offense in the process but he looked relatively competent while he was doing it. The Jets scored TD's and the offense was able to stay on the field a lot of the time. Wilson just looks lost out there. What I'm trying to say is that for the most part the Jets offense was working until Darnold made one of his mistakes. With Wilson it never seems like the offense is working aside from the occasional play where he gets off a good pass and the receiver catches it. When White was playing the rhythm was there and the offense was moving. Then he'd make a mistake and set the Jets back, or not. If he'd just kept his composure against the Bills and taken all the blame for what happened in that game he'd probably still be playing. The remark about the Jets not making adjustments was really stupid and it weighed heavily against him moving forward. Never throw your coaches under the bus.
Darnold also didn’t look like he was terrified of the rush which made him lose his composure when trying to run the offense like Wilson does. He’s just a terribly inaccurate quarterback who never fixed his footwork to match his mechanics to fix the accuracy issues. And he has perpetual happy feet. Wilson has that deer in the headlights look when he drops out and it’s not a rush 3 drop 8 scheme.
he actually doesn't look lost though. he knows what to do, he's just not hanging tough in the pocket or going through progressions fast enough. he just needs to have the game slow down a little which comes with time and trust his protection which will come with a better o-line. A perfect example was his TD run, the play call was a run. he seen a stacked box and the line break through so he chose to keep it and bounced outside and made a play and got the TD. a lost QB who didn't know what was going on would have handed it off to a RB who would have gotten stuffed. He hasn't made bad decisions lately.
Not hanging in the pocket or going through progressions quickly enough are classic bad decisions. You guys defending Wilson are invested in defending his poor play, moving the goalposts as you see fit to avoid the unavoidable conclusion that he is not NFL-ready at this point. If I hadn't gone through this with Richard Todd maybe I'd be in your corner here. However I have seen a guy who spends most of his time on the field living in fear and I know what it looks like. It looks like Zach Wilson.
Todd got us to CG. There were times he was pretty good, but ultimately too many bad plays. But he did execute at times, I can recall more than one game that he was great QB. I compare him to Sanchez. Not consistent. This fan base to easy to critique and bash QB play. Ken O’Brien was pretty good QB. And actually won some battles with Marino, but as soon he held ball too long or threw an INT. He was the worst. If Wilson turns out to be as good as OBrien or Pennington I would be more than happy. Hope he is better. If he turns out like Todd, I wouldn’t be that unhappy. He was more than decent for few years. That would mean at least playoffs. If he turns out to be like Rodgers I will be elated. That means maybe a SB. Of course he could be total bust. That would set the team back 5 yrs. We will see. Maybe Namath made a pact with the devil. Lol. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Todd finally started to play well in 1981. It took like 5 seasons for him to get his feet on the ground and then he had one decent season and one so-so. In 1979 and 1980, as a 4th and 5th year QB he threw 52 interceptions and 33 TD's. Once is enough. I don't need to go through that kind of progression again. For all the Wilson fan boi's: he's thrown 4 TD's and 10 Int's in 7 starts. Let that just sink in for a second the next time you feel the need to defend him because he's just a rookie. Rookie's who play like that don't turn into good NFL QB's. For all you Josh Allen yahoos: Josh Allen was twice the QB Zach Wilson has been his rookie year and he still blew chunks.
I suppose you are right on Todd, he was not very good for a few years (lots of int) and then turned out to be “good” for 2-3 years with playoff wins starting in 81. Then we turned the reins over to O Brien. That said this regime is not giving up on Wilson quickly, they will give him EVERY opportunity to be the FQB. If he fails, it will be complete redo, where new GM, new coach, will be brought in, etc. Hoping it turns out that he is at least a functional QB for a number of yrs. otherwise this franchise is doomed for another 5-10 yrs. Us fans need to hope Wilson pans out to at least functional NFL QB, or the misery will continue for awhile. I am rooting for him. I remember that Farve was bad first couple yrs. same with Steve Young, plunkett and Bradshaw as well. Goff was really bad first yr. so some QBs do develop. Some sit and develop, like Rodgers and Mahomes. But Jets decided to throw this kid to the wolves. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I have the opposite perspective on Wilson right now. I think if he's not going to be good and is going to take several years to prove that then the Jets best option is to move on quickly like the Cardinals did with Josh Rosen. Yes, Kyler Murray was available and they brought in the HC who wanted him and that made it easier. However there are any number of decent NFL QB's out there that the Jets could acquire without too much effort to help with the offensive install. Playing a real QB for a season and keeping an eye on upcoming talent makes more sense than just handing the ball to Wilson next year without a real competition for the job. If the Jets found a relatively cheap option (trade compensation), like Bridgewater, Foles, Dalton or Goff, they could bring the person in as competition for Wilson, a competition that would either make Wilson or break him - both to the benefit of the build. None of these guys would be a long-term option but all the Jets are looking for is somebody to get the offense on solid ground for the first time in 5 years. They're looking to do this in the context of installing a new offense that they believe has real potential. The worst thing the Jets could do next year is just hand the ball to Wilson and pray. Prayer is not a substitute for ability.
I agree with you, he should compete. He must be showing up in practice if they are sending him out there. Must be some sort of confidence level. Unless it was mandated. Which would be much larger issue! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
He doesn't need to be showing up in practice to get thrown back out there. The Jets have had enough of a look at the other guys now to know that the offense works with the talent they have assembled outside the QB position. The fact that they committed to putting Wilson back on the field despite him not being fully healed from the sprain suggests that they're rabbit-holing on the "great FQB prospect" theory and not looking too hard at what he actually does. If the Jets had an actual game plan for developing Wilson it would have showed up by now. They'd have pulled him after a series here or there where he was looking shaky and allowed him to get some sideline perspective for a series while somebody else ran the offense. They'd have started somebody else and then put Wilson in after the offense was functioning on the day. They might even have started somebody else with a plan to put Wilson in after halftime. Instead they've just spit him out onto the field in the theory that maybe some magical intervention will somehow make him an instant NFL QB after half a season of proving that he is not. BTW, all of this suggests that not only is Wilson scared on the field but the Jet's management is scared also. If they had confidence in Wilson they would hold him accountable for his performance. Not doing this suggests that they're grasping at straws and hoping he'll figure it out on his own. Hiding under a pile of coats in the corner is a Homer Simpson move not an NFL caliber management move.
We already have three quarterbacks on the roster that are better than Bridgewater, Foles, Dalton and Goff.
It's a low bar at this point. And yeah he's not very good, which is why he'll be available for a song this spring.
Zach's Uncle is the lead sponsor for the team. Of course Woody told JD we should "look very hard" at drafting Wilson. And JD checked him out and convinced the new coaching staff this is the way to go. and then of course, the media people hyping him up in NY – made it even easier for them. There's no way Zach should have been drafted over Mac Jones (Alabama). Wilson had a cupcake schedule and competition in BYU. Mac Jones would have thrived very easily in this short yardage passing attack with weapons all around him. Also Mac was the more proficient and NFL ready passer of the entire bunch. I said this. Mac, Trevor, Zach , Fields, and the SF guy....that's the order of who was starting QB ready. If you watch the college tape – it's pretty obvious to see. The only knock on Mac was he's slow and his arm is weak. But everything else was way more polished than any of the other QBs in the draft.
Well, since he's not very good, he'll fit right in... Zach will get the remaining games to show he's worth developing. Six games is not enough measure to close the book on him.
Good/accurate post if we're being honest...I completely agree w/ the last part about White throwing the CS under the bus. That's a character thing and while I'm sure he was trying to deflect from his 4 pics, I believe his statement did the opposite...first sign of trouble he starts to point the finger everywhere else...I'm sure there's still be a market for his services but that's a cautionary flag for sure to others, especially due to the position he plays...On the bright side w/ Wilson vs. Darnold, I'm thinking that Wilson has been so bad at the things that should be the easiest parts of the game that I have to believe it's fixable. Darnold was bad at, seemingly, the things that can't be taught...If Wilson couldn't hit open players out of the backfield or on short routes, he'd have never been drafted and wouldn't have been playing D1 football in the first place. Cimini called it "yips", and after reading that it does have a little Steve Sax/Chuck Knoblauch thing going on...No way the speed of the NFL game directly makes him miss those throws but he's clearly pressing/stressed over his lack of performance and that does seem to be directly affecting him. Man, it's sure looking like a bad move to have forced him in as the starter day 1 and/or not even having a contingency plan to have a vet in the room to start. But since that's mostly water under the bridge, the thing that's the toughest for me is all of the searching for the small positives in Wilson's games. Looking at a throw here or there, one play every now and then to hang on to...trust me, I do it too...but while I made a career of that with Darnold, I'm drawing the line here with Wilson. I'm sticking w/ the "don't tell me about the labor, show me the baby" tact. He's a rookie and I totally get that, and one with huge potential and I'm rooting for him big time, BUT let's see a good game from him...then let's see several above average games from him prior to the end of the season. If it ends like it's going now we'll be entering 2022 w/ a ton more questions that we did after the end of Darnold's first season. We and the Jets org are totally invested in him, but having the QB position not solidified (i.e. not locked in with Wilson as the answer to the position) at the end of the year would be concerning.
Wow, you are the only person I have ever heard of who advocated pick Mac with #1 overall over likes of Trevor and others. Can you link to your post back in the day saying that - this sounds like revisionist history, but if you really had Mac over Trevor, that would have been a bold statement at the time to be sure.
Wilson was fine today. The defense kept allowing these long drives and offense got out of rhythm. The pick, hes trying to make something happen. Coaches shoulda said we're going 4 downs take what you can. He has some poor throws but qbs do every game, but by large he wasnt too bad.
First half today was good, second half was a mixed bag. Some drops and some poorly placed throws including the INT.
