I'm on board with the Jets reigning the NFL for those 7 years but what do you figure will cause our downfall in 2030?
I know it was Dunn who is the main culprit... But team game right? And that alone shows he didn't prevent everything deep. He was the deep safety and couldn't get an angle to stop the TD
No on that play he was replacing an underneath zone that was left vacant by a blitzed. It was cover 3 and Davis was not the deep safety on that play.
I will look at the game tape tonight but they did show an all-22 angle in the main broadcast and that’s what it looked like
he shouldn't have even been on the screen. the fact he even got over there is impressive. you might as well blame bryce hall for that matter if you are gonna randomly assign blame
It certainly looks like he was a playing a deep third on this play. It actually looks more like cover 1 in all honesty, but Dunn is also playing a mile off with Hall in press man and only a five man rush including a blitzing nickel back. Not entirely his fault but a good deep ball safety probably doesn’t let that go for a touchdown. If you’re telling me he’s sinking down into the box to cover a vacated zone, then you’re basically telling me we ran a cover 0 coverage scheme with only a five man pressure and no high safety?
Nah I thought he was the right side safety but I hadn’t seen it since Sunday. It was the right side safety who came down to the intermediate zone. It was cover 3 and Davis was the middle 3rd safety. The completion wasn’t his fault but you’re right it should have been stopped before the score.
Exactly @MaximusD163, that is my point. So he did not prevent everything deep while he was responsible. I'm not rewatching, but my memory is what Vilma is saying... And that replay he posted confirms. He was the last line of defense.
Well i'll help you out this is from the replay they showed during the game. the yellow arrows are from the broadcast not me here is the line up. we had a CB blitz on. dunn is responsible for the deep right side of the field, davis for the deep left. the idea of the play is to fake single high safety with a blitz but have 2 high instead. the other safety has the short zone while dunn the CB has the deep zone here you see dunn has fucked up. he's looking at the short route. he thinks the other safety next to him has the deep route. ashtyn is reading the QB and covering his half deep as he should be here you see dunn realizes he messed up and tries to recover but it's too late. it's likely the other safety next to him was telling him get back as dunn was clearly confused. ashtyn was on the whole other side of the field doing his job but made a heads up read on the QB and started going to cover down for dunn. it's impressive he did that and almost made the tackle to save a TD. in no way was this ashtyns fault. it was on dunn. they even showed the CS talking to dunn after the play and explained it during the game. I could understand on one glance not knowing. as i said me and max were chatting during the game and were like we'll have to look back and see who fucked up. it could be ashtyn. looks like it's him. then they showed the broadcast and broke it down and we were like oh it's dunn that fucked up. IDK why you are being so hard headed about trashing a guy who didn't fuck up. if you want to be mad at someone be mad at dunn but he's also a rookie who is only playing because 2 people in front of him are hurt.
It was the corners fault but it’s rather dumb as fuck whether it’s coverage design or Davis being misaligned as he normally is, it makes zero sense that he shades heavily to the single receiver side rather than the 3 receiver side. The play doesn’t have to be completely his fault for him to also have made a bad play on it.
I believe it was Dunn’s first start too…he did a good job on that play against Buffalo where he forced the pick. Between that and Guidry getting toasted by Diggs, seems like Dunn got the nod at the other corner but he got burnt quite a bit last game.
I think you're confusing what I'm blaming Davis for. He's not responsible for the play, it was Dunn... Nobody is disagreeing. But he also did nothing to prevent the touchdown as the deep safety. So saying he prevented anything deep is patently false. I'll go back and watch the play, but nothing shows he was covering deep on the other side on those still images. Edit: I watched, he never roams away from center field. If the argument he stepped maybe 1 or 2 steps to the other side of the field, that's his dumb mistake for leaning towards the side of the field with 1 receiver as opposed to 3 on the other. If you want to say that's scheme.. so be it but again it's a lack of awareness. He doesn't even notice there's a guy 15 yards behind him. He's not doing his job as deep safety. Edit: I just watched it a few more times... As the play developed he backpedaled himself to a place in the field he was essentially useless on that play. He only could tackle the receiver who ran a route about 15-20 yards in front of him. Plus if he's so fast, he should have been able to make up ground because again he literally never moved from dead center field while backpedaling until he saw the receiver with the ball way behind him. So again, he did not prevent everything deep as the stud remark implies. If anything, after watching it a few more times he looks worse.
Yah…not that this play was his fault…maybe he could have played it better…but overall he’s not been good…for a third round pick we should be getting better play. Even the pick he had last game was a severely overthrown ball that came his way…not like he made a spectacular breakup play.
Some of it seems like a lot of piling on Davis here. Not saying he’s good nor trash. I think he’s been okay honestly, there’s plenty other issues with the defense, Ashtyn isn’t really high on said list.
he did when it was his job to. I'm not gonna fault a guy for doing his job. I mean if he was called to blitz would you blame him for a deep ball there too? davis did his job and did it well and most of the game it meant stopping anything deep which he did. then the 1 play it was dunns job he messed it up. not sure how you can blame ashtyn for doing what the coaches asked of him. FWIW the playcall was brilliant as well. jets faked a cover 1 single high heavy blitz then pulled back to onyl 1 blitzer. miami ran max protect due to the scare of the all out blitz. they only had 3 in routes. against 6 in coverage. everyone was blanketed if dunn had onyl done hus job it's likely a coverage sack or a short dump off for a minimal gain
Ok, so your stance is that Ashtyn, as the deep safety in that play as seen on the breakdown of the play... He's playing deep safety, backpedaling further from the LOS, has no responsibility for anything that happened deep. He's not responsible to help Dunn, or cover the deep route, who as we all agree was the main fault of that play. Interesting take. Your remark (not verbatim) was great playcall and everyone was covered. So again it leads me to ask what was Ashtyn's purpose on that play then if the one receiver who got free, and only route as deep as Ashtyn was on the field, was not Ashtyn's responsibility to at least help on? Honestly, isn't that the point of playing deep in a play, to recognize where the ball is going and you go towards the side of the field the play is on? Or at minimum help the DB who needs it?
