Dane Brugler's Mid-Season Top 50 Prospects

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  1. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Nelson was a bit more of a monster than Linderbaum has been though. The Notre Dame ground attack was much better than Iowa’s has been this year.

    I love TL but he’s not in Nelson’s class based on what I’ve seen.
     
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    Hutchinson was dominant. He’s be my pick at 2/3.

    such a luxury pick but Jordan Davis is the best player in CFB. He’s an instant double team and run stuffer. Wouldn’t mind trying to grab him if we can trade back but don’t need him. Fatukasski is fine for that role.
     
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    I'll add the 3rd rounder;
    1-Evan Neal OT
    1-Jordan Davis DT (only if we lose Foley in FA & not bring back Sheldon Rankins)
    2-Ahmad Gardner
    2-Jalen Catalon
    3- Damone Clark ILB LSU
     
  4. MaximusD163

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    I think ultimately it makes more sense to me to pay Foley and draft an Edge player high. Davis is awesome and it’s easy to get excited about him but schematically I’m not sure that investment maximizes the pick to me, when you look at total usage of a true NT for Saleh historically.

    I can see some logic in it, but Davis’ reduced snaps in 2021 suggest that he will fit best in an defense that uses more odd fronts than Saleh. Maybe I’m not thinking enough into the future of the schematic evolution but that’s just what it looks like to me.
     
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    Excellent point. Agreed. Because at the end of the day, I want us to re-sign Foley.
     
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    I would do this:
    1. Hutchinson(For obvious reasons)
    1. Linderbaum(Next Mangold)
    2. Bell(Sadly, we need a WR again with Mims not looking like he belongs as well as Crowder and Cole being on 1 year deals)
    2. Clark(LB help)

    Helps the offense and defense. Would not be against going CB with the Seattle pick if a clear #1 is available.
     
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    Not against that combo. I might lean towards TE over WR in the 2nd though if one I like is there. I like Ruckert a lot.
     
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    Pretty spot on. If we are able to trade the Seattle pick back and gain a 2nd or something. Would do that too and take the best interior OL there. Think Fant is good enough to bring back.
     
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    We have a rookie quarterback that a ton depends upon. I actually believe in building the line before drafting the qb but this is where we are. We have a GM who prioritizes the trenches and the coach seems to be in step with this philosophy as we prioritized DL over CB for instance. No one knows how our needs will change with free agency signings prior to the draft but I would be shocked if one of our firsts isn't used on a O lineman. Also from a cap/salary structure stand point you don't take a safety, center, tightend in the top 10 range as they will be paid like a probowler if drafted that high (unless they are seen as generational talents). Douglas has clearly shown he doesn't value the safety position. If our first pick is around #5, I think the process would be Neal if available and a pass rusher as backup and a trade down as third option.

    If you get Neal or Edge with the first first rounder and your next pick is around 10-15, Kenyon Green would be a target. Much like AVT, he is playing tackle this year but projects best to guard. If you got Neal a trade down again is in play. I worry at 290ish pounds that Linderbaum is center only and I guess you could move our center to guard but..... I like adding an edge so that with the return of Lawson, you could have a dominant D line.

    Second round with two or more picks and depending what situation the first yielded, if first yielded one OL, one edge: OL(which ever you didn't get in first between OT/OG), TE and Safety/CB depending how board breaks and could see small trades down.

    Second if first yielded 2 OL: Edge then TE and Safety/CB. Again all picks do depend on how the draft breaks vs your board. You may have someone to good to pass ala Dallas with CD Lamb or no one you want at the position is available and you move down to avoid reaching. With our needs, it is more likely someone will be available to fit what we need.

    I hope Becton comes back and looks fine but if not you have to consider moving him to RT or at least having insurance if he goes down again. Neal would seem to do that. It will be interesting to see what they do with Fant when Becton comes back. I originally thought he was worth keeping as a swing tackle but he may have shown enough that other teams would start him and thus price him out of that role.

    Obviously, what occurs in FA changes everything but going into next season I expect a new starter at rt guard and rt tackle than Rotten and Moses. A line with Becton, AVT, Neal and possibly Green would certainly solidify things into the future. The last three have all played guard and tackle giving you some emergency versatility.
     
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    Hutchinson is my pick with our first one. Dude is an animal and would be a perfect fit opposite of Carl Lawson next year.

    The Seattle pick is such a wild card because we have no clue where it'll end up with Russ being back. If it ends up being top 10-15, I'm looking at one of the IOL's (Green/Linderbaum) or one of the WR's (Wilson/Olave/Burks).

    The FA class is potentially stacked at WR, guys like Davante Adams, Chris Godwin, Allen Robinson, and Courtland Sutton but we know how this goes, maybe 1 or 2 of these guys actually hits FA so I'm not against taking a WR early as we still need to upgrade the weapons with Crowder and Cole also set to be FA's.

    The 2nd round could be a good spot for us to upgrade at LB or S. Lot of guys in that early-mid 2nd round range right now that could fit. If you're looking for a safety, Jordan Battle, Jaquan Brisker, Daxton Hill, or Veron McKinley III could be there for either of our 2nd's. For LB's, Devin Lloyd, Christian Harris, Nakobe Dean or Brandon Smith could be there. If we don't go WR in the 1st, John Metchie III is another WR prospect in the early 2nd range that is intriguing.

    Ideal first 4 picks for me:
    Hutchinson
    Olave
    Jordan Battle
    Zion Johnson (IOL:Boston College)
     
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    Back to this, though.

    1 thing that puzzles me (actually amongst many things that puzzle me lately) ---- in theory, we draft DE early on to go opposite Carl Lawson next year --- where does that leave recently signed JFM? At DT next to Quinnen Williams? Or just part of a big rotation in & out?

    And I know that's looking WAY too far ahead, - but this theory also makes it less likely that Foley F., (despite being primarily a 2 down player), will be re-signing w/us. He will likely command big $$ as a UFA for 2022 & won't have a major full-time starting role in this future D if its going to look like;
    early draft pick at DE ----- JFM at DT ---- QW at DT ----- Carl Lawson at DE.
     
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    You’re thinking too much as if only starters matter. On the DL rotation is important, plus Edge Rush is so important that if you have an injury to either JFM or Lawson, you really need another high quality guy to step in as starter.

    Don’t think about it exclusively for 2022. Ho long do you really expect Lawson to be a starter? Wouldn’t you like a Watt or Bosa type to be a 10-12 year wrecker finally?
     
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    We never actually replaced Abraham, the last game changing edge rusher to play for us. It's about time we do.
     
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    I have to be honest, I was slightly disappointed in what I saw out of Davis versus Tennessee. I thought he’d dominate a bit more than what I saw, but he’s still a legitimate NFL prospect.

    I read an article about him a couple weeks ago that said they had to convince him to play football because he was steadfast that he was a basketball player in high school. Imagine needing to convince that guy, even two inches shorter and 30 pounds lighter, that he needs to be on the football squad. LOL.


    On another note, Charlie Kolar has solidified my thought that he’s the tightend we need. He’s fantastic. If we can get him with the second 2nd round pick I’d do it. He’s a 10 year 45 catches/600 yard guy.
     
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    The one thing I’ll say is you’ve been calling for star DL to play high snap % and Davis’ monster year has coincided with reduced snap % at Georgia
     
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    You’re conflating two things though. I want a higher snap percentage count out of the better players on the Jets roster. Not necessarily high. I don’t believe in wholesale substitutions. 4 get one series and 4 get the next. Give Q and Rankins a blow on first down. They’re playing second and definitively playing third. Not Shepherd and Foley get the second series all the way through.

    In any event, Davis is a superior prospect to any player that was coming out on the Jets. And that’s saying a hell of a lot considering Quinnen Williams also placed in the Heisman vote. Davis has Ndamukong Suh NFL rookie year potential and I’m normally fully against the first round defensive tackle.

    I mean this with no disrespect or doubt. Can you send over the Davis snap count percentage? I’d love to see them. They’ve been in so many laughers I’d be curious to see the numbers. It’s common practice in the NCAA to sit guys in a 24-0 game at halftime against a trash opponent.
     
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    From Dane Brugler’s Top 50 via The Athletic
    13. Jordan Davis, NT, Georgia (6-6, 360)
    Another Georgia defender who has taken a big jump up the draft board, Davis has been a dominant run defender and played with improved consistency. He is stout and powerful to discard blockers in the run game while showing impressive range for a man his size. He has averaged only 22.8 snaps per game as a senior (down from 32.9 last season), which has helped improve his snap-to-snap energy, but is something to be considered when determining his draft value.
     
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    I don’t have the game by game snap counts but personally I have a ton of respect for Brugler’s work. If he doesn’t chalk up diminished snap count to beat downs, it’s just an assumption by me but I wouldn’t either. Also, 22.8 per game is very low, even for college
     
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    I watched a good portion of the Alabama-Arkansas game yesterday. Hope I am wrong as usual, but I came away very disappointed with consistently ranked top 5 2022 pick Evan Neal OT from Alabama. It was a good matchup for him as Arkansas has a couple of draft eligible DEs.

    Forgot the TicToc box jumping, - to me, he looked slow & sluggish. I would expect someone 6-7 350 at the college level to completely engulf his DL opponent on the majority of the snaps. I didn't see anything like that. Couple of occasions I even saw him lose big time on LB engagements getting knocked down/backwards. The upcoming SEC Championship game (likely Alabama vs Georgia) will be very telling for Neal as the Bulldogs D dominates w/great DEs. For now, - its allowed me to move a little more towards DE w/our early 1st rounder & then O-line w/the Seahawks pick.
     
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    That said -- both Jordan Battle (S) & Christian Harris (ILB) of Alabama D looked very good to me. I previously said Harris wasnt having a good season - but he seems to be coming on. Battle was all over the field on D.

    I also like Ricky Stromberg C for Arkansas. He seemed to hold his own well vs Alabama talent-stocked D-line. Arkansas HC Sam Pittman is a legendary O-line coach so he's helped his development big time.
     
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