WOW! All I can say is wow.....

1978 away win vs Broncos... Matt Robinson....

 

Agreed! WOW!

 

Well let’s enjoy this win because before you know it Thursday will be here. Can Mike White deliver another win on the road in prime time? He doesn’t have to throw for 400 yards again but can he perform efficiently and deliver the win? Historically the Jets come down after a win like this.

Let’s see if the Colts figure out Mike White. If White delivers this time a QB controversy is going to really start ….

 

With regards to the bold, it shouldn't. Zach was the #2 pick in the draft. He is not going to sit for a QB taken in the 5th round who is on his 2nd (?) team and 4th or 5th year in the league and who had never started a game previously.

 

You may be right but it’s already being whispered in the media. You know the NY media. The NY Post for one has already laid it out there….and several of the local NY sports reporters have already brought it out on Twitter. That doesn’t mean it reflects the thoughts of the Jets front office but Saleh didn’t exactly say the job is Wilson’s when he comes off the injury list.

But you’re right in regards to talent. More than likely White will return to earth but if he plays well again Thursday those whispers are going to get louder….

 

You see, I just can't get behind this way of thinking. Zach has been given a chance and he has looked bad. White, making his first start, was extremely effective. You can't give up on Wilson, of course, but you can't just give him back the job because he's the No. 2 pick. How long does that work for him? If he's shit next season does he still start because he was the No. 2 pick?

This could be a great chance to let Zach sit and calm down a little bit. If White plays well and wins on Thursday, he should keep the starting job the next week even if Zach is healthy.

Yes, White was taken in the 5th round, he's been on and off the practice squad and this was his first start. But all those things mean nothing compared to the fact that he threw for 400+ yards and three TDs. It's all about what you do on the field, not where you are taken. Not how long it's taken you to be given a chance.

 

If Mike puts together a few games like this, maybe. Like 3TD a game, few picks 300+ games, etc... If he does do it though, it will be a good problem to have. But we are not there yet. OLine seems to be improving as White had all day to throw too. Also without Davis drops have reduced as well. I am actually looking forward to see Zach back to see what he can do later in the season.

 

I agree with this. The best player should play. If Mike White continues to complete 82% of his passes with a 9 Y/A, it doesn't matter where Zach was drafted. The Jets would have their franchise QB.

A lot of this is just pointless arguing untiil we see more of Mike White. He had an incredible game against Cinci, but its still just one game. He didnt look very good against New England. Lets see how he does in Indy against a team coming off a rough loss. Indy has pretty good LBers and should cover the short pass better than the Bengals.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree. W&Ls this year are relatively unimportant. This season is about developing young players for the future. White is only here to potentially be a long-term backup QB. Zach is the future. He hasn't only looked bad. You have a selective memory. He is partly to blame for how he has played, but most of it is on LaFleur imo. It would be beyond foolish to sit Zach, not let him get the experience, in order to play White, who doesn't have a fraction of the talent of Zach. White is a limited QB. Don't get carried away because he played really well in one game against a Zone defense that never adjusted. We'll see how he fares this Thursday against a team who plays man-to-man coverage and where he will have to take deep shots. I hope he does well, but even if so, that doesn't mean that he should continue starting.

I'm not worried in the least about Zach continuing to look bad even the rest of this season, much less next year.

 

LaFleur called a much better game yesterday and should stay in the booth, but he needs to get rid of the play where he has the Jets' smallest WR blocking for the RB. I believe the play below was when the Jets were behind and Cincy was trying to put the game away. The Jets got lucky. The calls should have been against Johnson, not the Bengal defender. The WR whiffing on the block could have cost the Jets the game. This shouldn't get lost in the euphoria of winning.

 

Mims woulda made that block!

 

Of course the dumb NY media has and will. They're the worst sports reporters in the country. It's a joke! Costello is worse even than Serby.

Yeah, I noticed that Saleh didn't support Zach when he should have. IMO that's another strike against Saleh. If he even has half a brain, he knows that he play calling was better yesterday, the pass protection was better, and there were fewer dropped passes and better play by the WRs and RBs against a soft zone. He should remember the crap support Zach had in the early games when he was playing well and within the structure of the offense, and was getting no help from LaFleur or his teammates.

 

What if White is good and Zach is bad?

I completely agree that it is most likely that Wilson turns out to be better than White, but it would be a mistake to ignore actual performance on the field because of preconceived ideas based on where a player was drafted. Players outperform their draft position all the time. Players under-perform related to their draft position all the time. Some players get better with experience, others do not.

It is bad science to look for excuses to explain away Zach's bad play and White's good play. You cannot go into situations with preconceived ideas, because that can blind you to the truth.

 

I’m pretty sure this was the Jets last possession when they were hanging on to the lead and trying to run out the clock. But yes Barrios whiff could very well have cost the Jets the game had they been forced to punt.

As far as the call goes it’s really 50/50. Both players led with their helmets. The defender led and Ty lowered his which enabled the contact. In this situation it’s usually the defender who gets called whether it’s fair or not. However it is kind of convoluted in that Ty lowering his helmet caused the contact in the first place and created the penalty for the defender.

 

That’s 1 play. You can also say the Bengals got lucky w/ 2 deflection INTs, dumb fumble by Crowder and a deep sideline reception against Hall that wasn’t even a catch. Give the kid his credit. If Wilson had a day like White did, you wouldn’t be talking about luck. White and the Jets WON that game despite several self sabotaging mistakes. It wasn’t given to them.

 

To be clear, I wasn't saying that White was lucky yesterday. He was obviously very good and the Jets won because of his and others on the offense's play as well as Hall and others on D. I was just saying that they got lucky on that call. If that call had gone against the Jets, that would have been a loss of 15 yards rather than a gain of 15 yards, a resulting 30 yard turnaround, and they may never have scored the winning points. Sorry if I wasn't clear before.

Also, the main point/reason for my post was to point out that this play design is flawed. It has the slot WR (the Jets or most any team's smallest WR) trying to block for the RB. IMO it's a dumb play design.

 

We already had the lead... we were in 3rd & 11 because Edoga jumped off-sides...with 1:55 to go...that toss to Ty would have gained zero yards.

I hate that play for the exact reason you do... having Berrios and Moore blocking linebackers is a losing proposition.

 

Thanks, I think you're right and I misspoke earlier. The Jets were trying to run out the clock.

IMO the defender was attempting to tackle Johnson around the waist or a little lower, and Johnson ducked his head and caused the contact. Further, imo, the penalty should go on whomever is the second player to duck/lead with his head. The thing is, the head sits atop of the shoulders, so any time a would-be tackler is trying to tackle the ball carrier at the waist level or lower, he will be leading with his head. There's no way around it. The penalty therefore should most of the time be on the ball carrier for ducking his head down. He has options including attempting to hurdle the tackler, do a spin move to make the tackler miss, or trying to plow through the hit. Ducking his head is not necessary at all. IMO the only time a ball carrier should duck his head is if the tackler is coming in high and he is trying to get under and avoid the hit. I know that it's often split-second reactions, but ball carriers need to be taught not to duck their heads. IMO somewhere between 95 and 98% of the time, the fault is that of the ball carrier.

Also, as I responded to Legler, the main point of my posting that was to focus on the poor play design with the slot WR trying to block for the RB, rather than having Davis/Mims/Cole do the blocking.

 

We're not far apart here. I'm not saying that their play on the field should be ignored. I'm also not looking for excuses, but there are valid, contributing factors that affect how players perform. I realize and agree with your statements about players under-performing and over-performing their draft position and that players do improve/get better with experience.

If White continues to play lights out (which is doubtful) during Zach's absence great. When Zach is healthy, imo Zach should return to being the starter. If Zach plays well upon his return, then he continues to be the starter, but if he plays poorly for 2-3 games upon his return and still isn't taking what the D gives and is trying to play hero ball all the time, then they can always go back to White to start the rest of the season. Then next year in OTAs, mini-camp and TC they can have an honest to God QB competition for the starting job.

If there were no other changes yesterday, then I would be more inclined to agree with you completely, but Zach was playing well last week when he got injured, and with LaFleur moving to the booth, and doing a better job of play calling, that changes things and made it easier for White and the offense. IMO Zach has earned the opportunity to try to return as starter in the same scenario. I just think this is all too over-reactive and emotional because of all the losing the Jets have done over the years and how poorly they have played for the most part this year. We've been ready to fire LaFleur, Saleh, and JD, trade players, proclaim rookies busts already, etc.

All of this is probably a moot point, anyway, because even though I like White and think he can be a good backup, one game isn't enough to base this kind of decision on. I don't think he will fare nearly as well on Thursday night, and perhaps not the following week, and there will be no question that Zach should return to starting.