Who cares about PFF? McGovern, Fant and AVT are all at 70+ with Moses at 69. We can't run the ball worth dick and our quarterbacks are consistently pressured. The PFF numbers indicate our offensive line doesn't suck.
I don't think the line is bad, aside from GVR. The got off a bad start, but honestly I thought Zach was protected lately. Even on the injury, it was not at all OL fault.
Running the ball counts toward the rating too. We have the worst running game in the league by 8 yards. The offensive line as a collective group has been awful. Yet PFF ratings give them as having 4/5 above average starters.
AVT looks like a gamer. I liked other players at that spot but hindsight says JD got that one right. Landing one of the top free agent guards would have been money well spent but they all wanted to play for contenders. If you want to see where we spent a ton of draft capital with nothing to show so far look no further than the now injured Zach Wilson. This team lacks talent across the board because we used three second rounders to move up three spots for our golden boy QB. Then when we let his favorite WR leave in free agency and add a clown like Gase to change the entire offense we blame the young QB and run him out of town. With all of the draft capital we spent on QBs you could build a juggernaut of s team.
ateam.a A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. With Van Rotten starting and poor coaching it is easy to believe that the other four guys might do OK elsewhere. Hard to tell.
History has shown we were smart to move on from Darnold. He's been just as bad in Carolina as he was here. The fact of the matter is without a good QB you're not going to consistently compete no matter how good the rest of the team is. QB is that important. Wilson isn't looking good so far but we were correct in taking a QB at #2 this past draft. Honestly we should've completed the tank and gotten Lawrence but that ship has sailed.
Did people watch any of that Giants game? Darnold was just awful. I think the guy he got benched for came in threw five straight incompletions about 5 yards short of the receivers.
I said this in another thread. The Giants have given Gettleman 4 years to build their team and they've gone 17-38 on his watch. It's clear that whatever plan he had is not working you don't need 5 years to rebuild in this league. The Jets have gone 10-28 with Douglas as GM, with the best season coming in the year he took over and the heavy lifting was done. I don't expect it to happen after this season, but if after 2022, there's no core of homegrown players on the roster....
A lot of times teams pack the box against us, like NE did last time. Make Zach beat you. Then I watch Zach having decent amount of time looking down the field. Often he takes off. Are the receivers not getting open? Is he hesitant to throw a pick, not seeing something? It's hard to tell without studying the tape from above view. But most of the time box is packed and OL allows time to throw. Not saying OL is great, but it's not as bad as you say, particularly lately. GVR does suck and is well below the rest, and his PFF rating reflects that. With that said, do you really think the 3d/4th round rookies I mentioned are much better than him?
Darnold has less than one season under his belt in Carolina. Wilson has looked like garbage. Instead of spiking the football on your own 20 yard line maybe you should see how things play out before being so smug about history proving anything just yet. At least Darnold has won games this year and shown flashes while he was here.
Douglas should be fired if we aren't at minimum .500 next year or near .500 with the stupid 17 game schedule.
He's not hesitant to throw picks. He's thrown a bunch of them. I don't know what games you're watching - the offensive line is well below average. PFF says they're not.
I didn't see overall line rankings of all teams, care to share? Also, back to the point, are the G rookies I mentioned that went 3d/4th round better than GVR? Are the early second round rookies I mentioned, one of whom we would have picked up if not for AVT trade, not way worse than AVT?
I don't disagree. By then, his first 2 draft classes should have some established players and there should be some continuity in systems and coaching. The Pats are as beatable as they've been since Belichick took over and it doesn't look like the Dolphins are going anywhere despite having a thousand picks in recent years.
What overall rankings do you need? We're 6th in sacks allowed and run for 72 yards per game. PFF says we have four above average starters with their silly grades. You don't need PFF's grades to tell you they've been awful this year.
I already covered that point before with teams stacking the box. Also, back to the point, are the G rookies I mentioned that went 3d/4th round better than GVR? Are the early second round rookies I mentioned, one of whom we would have picked up if not for AVT trade, not way worse than AVT?
As rough as it is, I think we know why WFT let Moses walk. And I hate to say it, but those who think Becton is gonna walk in and the left side of the line is set are kidding themselves. That may eventually happen, but given his struggles this year prior to the injury, I’m pumping the breaks.
I’m want to say I’m losing faith in him, I do. But I keep teetering back and fourth on he’s doing ok vs get him out. I can think of 3 “ok” players in 2020: Becton, hall, Mann. Now I know we had 9-10’picks, but if you look at it in the lense of most teams hope to leave drafts with 3 decent players (albeit w/7 picks) it looks a little better. And yeah the O-lineman aren’t any good-but the one undrafted corner, Quinnens brother, Barrios and JFM were all good pickups.
I don't know. I haven't watched them all individually. And neither have you, but you think that the fugazi PFF ratings are the bible. I've also made my points about why they mean very little. I'd imagine we would've went with an offensive lineman in the second and Elijah Moore at 23 if we didn't trade up. So have any second round lineman be better? Josh Myers probably and Creed Humphrey too. Christian Darrisaw was maybe the pick in the first and he's looked good (supposedly) for the Vikings at tackle. Maybe we go Darrisaw/Elijah Moore and have two more prospective third round players to fill out this awful roster. Ben Cleveland is starting now for the great Ravens line. Your point about teams stacking the box is silly. Teams surely stack the box against the Davis Mills Texans too and they still run the ball for more yards than we do and allow less sacks.
