He doesn't even get crucified. He gets criticized. If he played poorly he played poorly. The offense didn't move the ball, he contributed big time to that. No one is calling him a bust. At least no one who is having these elongated discussions. But the straw men are out in full force to sensationalize every criticism as they see fit. Him being put on the bench to start the year is not an indictment on his future success. It's to protect it. But the sensitive sallies around here have to take it as some sort of insult.
I will admit that I like to get a rise out of people who spent the summer arrogantly proclaiming things that had no hope of becoming true, but I agree with your overall sentiment. The engine of the car the Jets are trying to teach this guy how to drive isn't tuned properly and most likely needs some parts replaced, and the pit crew is learning as they go. Winning this season was never a realistic expectation for this team when they decided to start Zach right away, although it's fun to hope in the offseason. I guessed at one point we might win upwards of 7 games, but that was under the assumption that the CS wasn't going to come out the gate looking like a bunch of toddlers. My mistake. Expectations adjusted.
It woulda taken some balls for Saleh to come out and say he was going to keep Wilson on the bench to learn from a veteran. Balls he just doesnt have I guess. Although it could be Douglas' fault too, since he didnt give Saleh a capable veteran to allow that decision
Good thing they're only trying to teach him to drive a car, not fly a plane. When the wheels come off there's a lot less room to fall than when the wings come off.
You know, I just watched the below video, every Wilson throw from the Atlanta game, and I truly don't think Wilson had a horrible game. Outside of one bad decision, he missed on a few easy throws that can be chalked up to nerves and travel. I really don't get the hate towards him after this game. This was a rookie QB playing like a rookie after traveling halfway across the world to play in London.
I still believe the best way to learn is by doing. Only thing sitting would be doing is save him from the embarrassment of looking as badly as he has. The hope is that he learns from this.
I think ZW has to play to get exposed to the speed of the game. He needs to play as long as he Saleh feels so as long as he doesn’t shakes th kid’s confidence. But I wouldn’t mind seeing White and Morgan getting some reps.
Give it up please..enjoy your children You don't need Vilmas approval or mine..I happen to think JV is right ZW is talented but I think he can get mentally beat up making so many mistakes atm..just an opinion
Jesus..Mahomes has already won a SB..we are stuck in the Twighlight Zone pinning our hopes on this kid! Learning on the fly will damage him..just saying GM played it wrong not getting a Vet for him ..I would say the same thing if we drafted Lawrence
It's so hard to weigh if sitting the young quarterbacks from the start is the right thing to do or not because it's rarely done with high draft picks. Starting right away works a lot of times too and it also fails frequently. What we do know is that the roster was bad, with a ton of players new to the organization and new to the pro game in general with a quarterback making a 1.5x jump coming from a small conference schedule. This is also nearly an all rookie coaching staff who are learning on the fly with the young quarterback. Again, it's not an indictment on Wilson to think he should've been behind a veteran. It doesn't indicate that he is destined to be a bad player or was from the start. It indicates that he could've potentially been a better player if he was given the slow redshirt path.
All of you who know me on the board know I've been hard on Wilson, with that said, I DO NOT think we should have sat him. You start the kid and go all in on him for at least 2 full years--we need to know what we got. If we are bad enough going into year 3--at least we might be picking high enough for a replacement. With that said--here's a pretty discouraging Wilson stat I saw today: According to ESPN, Wilson is the fourth quarterback to throw an interception in each of his first five career games over the last 10 seasons. He joins DeShone Kizer, Zach Mettenberger and Blake Bortles. Just to be clear since so many people have been confusing my posts lately--I supported drafting Wilson #2, think we need to give him at least 2 years to prove himself and never wanted to keep Sam. My point was how bad it was that ownership didn't ensure we landed Lawrence, a generational prospect that the entire league (including officiating) is going to make sure lives up to the status he was given since high school. My other point was that early returns on Wilson don't look good at all. Hoping this post looks like a steaming pile of crap in 2 years
QB fever. It is what happens when you are soooo close to getting the guy who might be great. All the other QB's taken this year were late 1st round to early 4th round prospects who got promoted because of QB fever.
I just fundamentally disagree with a young qb sitting unless of course he’s just too raw and not at all ready. I don’t think that’s the case with Zach, he’s not playing well but the situation hasn’t seemed too big for him. Best example of a QB sitting is obviously Mahomes but I think Mahomes would’ve ended up being great either way. Then you got a guy like Josh Allen who was thrown to the wolves and took his lumps and is now great. Let Zach take his lumps now and hopefully next year with a more competitive team he is better off.
Mahomes, Rodgers, Rivers, Brees, Brady, Eli (half season), Lamar Jackson (3/4) and to a lesser extent Kirk Cousins... Allen is a fundamentally different prospect because he was an elite runner from the day he stepped on the field. That eases the transition for young quarterbacks when the games too fast and allows them to pickup easy first downs. I hope he starts running a bit.
I get Mahomes is on a much better team, but he has 16 TDs, 6 INTs, and a passer rating of 106.1. The last time a Jets QB approached those numbers was Chad Pennington in 2002. Comparing Mahomes's play to Wilson's is a wild take.
Matt Ryan Matt Stafford Sam Bradford Cam Newton Jameis Winston RG3 Carson Wentz Deshaun Watson Kyler Murray Joe Burrow Ryan Tannehill Andrew Luck The list is very long for rookie QBs starting from day one in today's era
You'd consider the bold success stories with their original franchise? Burrow and Murray were the undisputed top picks. When all is said and done, you're going to have three guys left on your list still with the team that drafted them and all have been drafted in the past ten years. Does your list contain better players or does mine?
The point wasn't the quality of player. A lot factors into that. I can also give you a mile long list of qbs drafted that did not start initially that were a complete bust. The point was that your list is largely in the past. The vast majority of high drafted qbs start in today's Era. That's just a fact. Hell, there's 5 of them starting this year alone.
Four out of five of them are struggling badly, with the fifth struggling slightly less. So because something happens frequently that means it's the right thing to do? Quarterbacks start right away because it's the best way to sell tickets for the gutter franchises. The next hope for the fan base. Not all situations are created equal either. Some players on your list likely fair better if they say. This situation wasn't ready for a raw quarterback.
