No two ways about it...Zach laid an egg

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  1. PJ4Ever

    PJ4Ever Well-Known Member

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    100 fucking percent. Saleh seems like he actually uses analytics, which literally 0 of our previous coaches ever have
     
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    PJ4Ever Well-Known Member

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    I hope you learn to manage the clock better, because what Saleh did was 100% correct by any measure. When was the last time we had an aggressive coach who went for the win? Answer is never
     
  3. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    It's not crazy to wonder if running the ball would've been a better decision but I'd personally prefer a pass there.

    I don't know if the analytics really say to throw it though? Was it stated that it was an analytical decision? Running the ball in 3rd and 10 seems soft. I think I run the ball there under 2 mins to force them to burn a timeout. I don't think I do in the situations the Jets were in because of the 2min warning. I like the way Saleh played it.
     
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  4. Acad23

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    We were extremely lucky to get out with a win and not a tie.

    A tie would have been so Jets like.

    Imagine going 0-16 w/ a tie... :confused:
     
  5. bicketybam

    bicketybam Well-Known Member

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    I'm not even sure if he's a Jets fan.
     
  6. Ralebird

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    Did you comprehend what I wrote at all? Read post 333, then 337 and 338 and you'll see how the conversation started; 340 was simply a continuation of that conversation. Some of the other dozen guys may have been after him about his comments regarding the win but he's entitled to voice his opinion and much of what he said is accurate. Wilson had a few great plays but the defense did step up this week. Teams win games, not individuals.

    Mu point remains that all those guys jumping on Brad now had a whole week to complain about his comment that the Jets had a 50/50 chance of looking for a QB again this year and needed the OT win to find their voices.

    The fact remains that Wilson has a completion rate of 57% for the season, averages 241 passing yards a game and has thrown two interceptions for every touchdown. That's mediocrity at best -would you be happy if those numbers continue? He also was named the rookie of the week and had some excellent successful plays. That's promising but anyone who believes the jury has reached a verdict is getting way ahead of himself.
     
  7. bicketybam

    bicketybam Well-Known Member

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    You just keep doubling down. I admire your tenacity.
     
  8. Ralebird

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    I see we have been gifted with another lie from the reading compromised dropout. I never backed a claim that the Jets are in the QB draft market. The question arises though if the dropout posted that out of ignorance or to intentionally spread more fake news because that's the only thing he has left in his failed effort to maintain any kind of relevance since his cutting and pasting of nonsensical political Tweets has been curtailed.
     
  9. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    This is not a hard bet to double down on.

    It's very hard to be a good NFL QB. Lots of guys can look good for a few throws or a half or even a few games. So far Zach Wilson has looked good for a few throws at a time and as a result has had two good halves in his early career.

    In order for him to actually be good and keep the job he has to do this every game, not just when the opposition isn't up to the task of defending a few throws during a good half.

    My issue with him isn't that he doesn't have the potential to be good if well supported. My issue is that he hasn't shown the consistency to suggest that he will be good if well supported and the Jets as a rule do not support young QB's of this type well enough to make his consistency (non-existent so far) even matter.
     
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    It appears your reading comprehension is compromised as well.
     
  11. Acad23

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    Bullshit!

    I never had any relevance! :mad:
     
  12. cval

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    Brads post are and were ridiculous and he is just throwing a tantrum. His post about Sunday's game was just that about Sunday. It was just as stupid of a take as the others but completely Independent.
     
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  13. Noam

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    X Factor analyzes 3 Wilson mistakes from Sunday.

    https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/10/07/zach-wilson-titans-ny-jets-film/

    For something more in depth they did an earlier piece with a video analyzing each scoring drive with good and bad plays.

    Both of these are simply the best Wilson video analysis out there. Pretty realustic takes. No sugar coating. Really great stuff showing how far he has to go but also what eventually he can become. I really liked the one play in the 1st video where Wilson audibled out of a bad run call into a successful pass play.

    If your going to watch one Jet analysis video all week I would stop and clear out more time and watch all 4 or 5 of these videos in the 2 articles.

    https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/10/05/zach-wilson-mike-lafleur-film-first-win/
     
  14. bicketybam

    bicketybam Well-Known Member

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    They really need an LOL button on this forum. Your posts are absolutely [​IMG]
     
  15. bicketybam

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    No one likes you. You know that, right?
     
  16. Ralebird

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    You, bickety, are no one.
     
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    *yawn*[​IMG]
     
  18. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    You're missing the percentages. One quarterback in twenty years (Rosen) did not return as the starter if they were drafted in the top 15 of the draft. That's barring a sit and wait approach with Rivers and I guess you can throw Leinart in there.

    The numbers say, regardless of how bad he is, he is in the 90th percentile or certainty to return as the starter barring absolute catastrophe.

    That's what you're missing badly in your take.
     
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  19. BacktoQueens

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    I don't think anything would happen next year, as the GM and HC aren't going anywhere next year, and aren't about to admit defeat barring something catastrophic in meantime.

    However, to your point, another bad showing next year and I think JD would be out the door after 4 seasons.
    The next GM could pull a JD, and tear down every single piece he didn't personally bring on, whether they could help the future or not.
    Then we could see Wilson dealt for a 3rd, as the new GM resets his own clock buying time with a new QB.

    People are dogging your post, but we literally just this scenario play out, and it's quite conceivable we could see it again if Wilson isn't properly given the support needed.
     
  20. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Lots of QB's have not returned as the starter in year two. However most of them didn't start year #1 either. The problem is that you see the fact that the Jets started Wilson year 1 as completely relevant.

    I believe more than half of the teams in the NFL - probably much more than half would have had Wilson on the bench game 1 and maybe got him in when they thought he was ready to go.

    The other thing of course is that teams take a lot more QB's in the top half of the 1st round now than they historically have. With that we are going to see more blowout failures and instant resets like the Cardinals had with Rosen and the Fins appear to be having with Tua.

    Also if you look at the #1, #2, #3 picks in recent years the track record is *really* bad in terms of them turning into a long-term starter with their teams.

    Expecting the Jets to magically be the team that swims out of the river of shit clean, it's just not likely to happen.
     

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