My head tells me this will be another ugly blowout and we will see little change until the bye week. The optimist buried somewhere very far away tells me the way to make this game competitive is against all probability is to get an early lead. If the improbable happens and all on one play we have a defensive coverage mistake by the Titans, pass blocking that gives Wilson a clear 2 seconds, backs not missing blitzers and against all odds a receiver catches a ball yes we could take a lead. With an early TD lead we might get the confidence to keep a game competitive. But back to reality my expectations are we are going to get killed and I will hate most of the game. But, what I would like in this ugly loss is to see Zach look more efficient running a boring offense and find some rhythm even if for only a few drives.
Titans D kinda sucks but Jets offense sucks worse. Maybe its a close game for awhile until Derrick Henry drives in the dagger
I get the optimism about Wilson who has only played 3 games in the NFL at this point. However, when exactly did Wilson play under sustained pressure in college? It is very possible, given how good HS QB's dominate the opposition, that Zach Wilson has never played under sustained pressure in his life. I was kind of out on him from the start for various reasons. Based on what I've seen so far I don't think I was quite down enough on him.
Wilson has not been the problem. He was aggressive Week 2, and it failed, but most of the Jets' struggles are not on him. My only complaint is he has been inconsistent so far, but he is a rookie. Can't expect every pass to be perfect. Some passes are complete duds though, and that is unacceptable in the NFL. He will improve on those. Besides that, what can you complain about? The offensive line has not protected him. They have barely established a running game. His WR's have dropped many passes. The play calling has been weak. Not to mention he has played 3 solid defenses in the Panthers, Patriots, and Broncos. I expect Wilson to have his best game of the season this Sunday. Hope he brings you back in on him!
Wilson, Fields, Jones and Trevor had almost the identical number of pressures their last season in college. The difference was Wilson and Jones got rid of the ball substantially faster and Wilson and Jones had the two lowest sack rate under pressure and both were at the top in not running under pressure and getting throws off around 80 percent of the time under pressure. Not to bore you with the stats but of the top qbs Wilson and Jones were the best under pressure during college. So yes he was under pressure in college at an almost identical rate to the other top qbs. Nothing like the 47 percent pressure rate the Jets OL has given up but no one else has had to endure that either.
Where are the stats on this? All of the draft reviews stated that he rarely faced pressure and that he had a below average performance under pressure. It was a common notation that most of his mechanical problems occurred when he was under pressure.
If you look in the predraft thread or if you actually read it you would remember it. All 4 top qbs faced similar amount of pressures. Two did really well Jones and Wilson. One did awful Fields. The result was Fields ran at twice the rate of the other top QBs and threw less than 60 percent of the time under pressure. While Wilson and Jones were able to throw around 80 percent of the time under pressure. Wilson snd Jones took sacks around 12 percent under pressure while Fields was over double that. You can see these stats repeated over and over again througout the thread. This is the same thread that the one Fields supporter spammed with a 100 memes a day trying to drown out information like this that portayed Fields in a bad light. I am sure some others here can post the stats for you. It is pretty common knowledge for those that paid much attention during the predraft process.
How is the OL going to improve... oh, tha's right they need to gel, right? Fact, your C is playing worse then last season, Vanrotton enough said, Moses got beat like a drum last week and AVT pass protection sucks... Oh yea who are the Backups for the OL, feeney LOL? Just as we blamed Mac for all the shitty deals and drafts, this is JD's team now... his players, his coaches... and so far he is a LOSER,
I am going to practice my boo for the game. Once up in the mezz a fan next to me erupted with a BOO that blew me away. I’m sure I will not be alone.
Yep It's Joe D with D for big Disappointment after personally having such high expectations for him Sometimes you are so depressed and hopeless from over a decade going nowhere your denial is all you have to hang your mental health hat on Then denial leads to delusion ...
I meeeeean. Ok. Since we're big into these faux PFF statistics, let's play. Hence the point @Br4d was making.
This is exactly the point I was making. We've had a bad case of QB fever for the last 11 months because Trevor Lawrence was coming out and everybody thought he was the next coming of whoever. We were in prime position for much of the season last year to get Lawrence. That automatically promoted all the QB's in the draft around him a level above where they should have been. This always happens with a "generational" QB prospect. The other guys get promoted because they're being compared to the top guy and only found wanting in a few areas. It's easy to gloss over their weaknesses. Then they hit the NFL and the NFL hits them and most of them fail to make the grade. This is because not only is the failure rate for NFL QB's fairly high but they have been promoted to a level where even their successes will be seen as failures. In a normal draft Zach Wilson might have gone in the 2nd round, maybe in the 4th round. He'd be seen as an iffy prospect with a high ceiling if he worked out. Nobody would be surprised by the struggles he is having adapting to the speed of the NFL. Nobody would have handed him the job without a major competition in camp that he won by showing beyond a doubt that he was ready for the NFL. Nobody would be surprised if he never started a game in the NFL. As it is the odds are good that he is already burnt toast. He has some chance of regaining some of his potential but only if the Jets yank him fairly soon and get him away from the field before the hits do him in.
I think Wilson could be great if he was put into position to succeed. I think Darnold could have been very good for us if he was put into position to succeed. I think Mark Sanchez could have been very good for us if he had been put in position to succeed. The Jets don't know how to do that. So the prospect gets tossed aside as "not good enough" by the fans and they demand new kindling for the dumpster fire. Rinse, repeat.
I'm not sure if any of those guys would have been great. Sanchez certainly was good enough, if well supported, to win in the NFL. The thing to remember is that even good teams strike out on QB's after putting them in very favorable positions. I don't think anybody the Jets have drafted since Namath has been in the can't miss category.
Of course you don't, every other day you tell us the world is about to end. Edit: tell me, how were you feeling about Mark Sanchez right about this point in 2011? https://forums.theganggreen.com/thr...-all-time-single-season-record-for-tds.69636/
I thought Sanchez was just fine as long as the Jets supported him. He clearly had the head for the post-season grind. The lack of support is what did him in. The Jets were in their draft Vlad from Zoomass because Tanny went to Zoomass phase and that kind of crap will never cut it at the NFL level.
Julio Jones potentially out this weekend as well. Unfortunately none of that matters when you average 6 points per game.
Sanchez was probably the least talented of all 3 and he had the best results because he had a team to start with, and that guy was the perfect example of someone that needs to sit. You've been harping on it almost the loudest, this is a terrible situation to put a rookie QB in. Personally, I think it was the Johnsons insisting the rookie has to start. It's always been about butts in seats. No QB that comes to this team with those 2 idiots will ever be put in position to succeed. People keep harping about "starting a rookie QB is the way you do it these days" but all you have to do is look at the carnage of the first 3 weeks to understand that's kind of a dumb thing to say. These rookies are getting demolished.
