I love Sam, and I am happy he is doing well in Carolina, but this is a bad take. The Jets needed a fresh start. Sam did too. Zach Wilson looks like he is going to be a star. The team still sucks around him, as it does for Trevor Lawrence in Jacksonville. Give them both time. Yes, you get a lot of draft picks for the #2 pick, but you also don't have a QB. Sam would have continued to get destroyed this year, the Jets would then dump him after the season. Not how you want to start a new regime. Now the Jets look bad at (0-3), the Panthers look good at (3-0), but fans just need to have a little patience. I think both will balance out.
LOL. To be honest this is refreshing. Mark Sanchez - early on winning some games people waxing poetic about the SANCHIZE --> sucked Sam Darnold - early on had some big wins, some big passes, people talking about him as the franchise ---> destroyed year 2&3 by ghosts. Maybe this is just a reversal. Early failure - late success. Bottom line: This team just overall sucks. Zach may be good, but he's not good enough right now to but lipstick on this pig.
mac jones is struggling as well even with bill making things as easy as they can be on him. all the rookie QBs had a bad week 3. fields was probably the worse overall leading the bears to a total of 1 net passing yard in the game.
Sorry but the only point that needs to be made is that even if the Jets traded for all those picks, maybe, MAYBE, one of them would have been in this year's draft. We would have gotten 1s for the next couple of years, but for this year, we'd have gotten a lower 1st round pick this year, and maybe a 2nd or 3rd - everything else would have been picks in future years. So if your contention is that we'd have been able to rebuild quicker this year, you're flat out wrong. If your contention is that we'd have stockpiled draft picks in future years, then it doesn't matter because we'd be in the same position we're in now while screaming about how bad Sam looks, why didn't we draft a QB.
lets see they beat, US, NO who just kicked NE ass who kicked our ass and Tx. Oh, Sam threw for back to back 300 yards which he never did in the 38 games he played in NY. he also has: no happy feet, goes threw his progressions and last week took the team on his shoulders and won the game... don't believe me as Troy A who made the comment at the end of the game. But hey don't let facts get in the way of your sour grapes...
Sorry you can't see this, but the "only point that needs to be made" is the jets would be a lot better now and in the future if they had retained Sam and moved the #2 overall for a lot of picks. That is what I urged several times on this board before the draft. I can't believe it, but you must really think the jets did the right thing giving up on Sam and all those potential picks and drafting Wilson. Have you watched a jets game this year? We haven't scored a TD in the last two games under Wilson while Sam has already had 3 300 yard games. I knew Sam would play a lot better once Gase left, as Tannehill did and is doing. But just KEEP telling yourself that moving Sam and foregoing those extra picks is a worse option than having Wilson do his best impression of Browning Nagle. Eventually you will convince yourself you are right.
Complaining about not keeping Sam is a failed point. The guy looked broken and Unfixable by year 3. Now in year 4 he looks better than he’s ever been. The difference? More talent around him! You can probably say the same thing about Wilson if we surround him with more talent. If we get the 1st pick this year, I’m trading it for a boatload of picks and going all offense again. Give him a chance to succeed unlike his prior counterparts.
They have to trade #1 overall pick. But problem it’s a weak QB class. Last year was the time. Everyone got their QB. Jets fail again.
sam needed to go but we should have gotten teddy back in the deal ... the panthers were eager to get his salary off of the books and we had ample cap room. teddy only has this season left on his deal and we'd have options after the season
Thanks, Tombeb for the acknowledgement. Have to agree here. I'll tell ya though, seeing SAM play and I have watched all their games thus far... he has a quite confidence that he lost here and if any of you just watch some of the throws he is making are ridiculous.. rollouts that are darts , back shoulder throws, going through progressions and hitting the RIGHT guy , standing in the pocket and taking big hits but delivering the ball on target ... IMHO he will only get better as he gets more time with WR (hardly played in PS) and he is FINALLY being coached up. Right now, I do not know what the hell they are doing with Wilson because it certainly looks like the OC is way over his head (at least so far) and doesn't seem to have a clue how to use his physical gifts. They better fix the OL esp Vanrotten and C because they will get Wilson on IR or worse affect his confidence...
Took me many years to understand the business side of football, and it's helped me not to be on the verge of a stroke every other week when this atrocious organization shits the bed. But giving up on Sam was 100% the right move at the time. Whether Sam turns out to be a hall of famer or he's mopping floors in Walmart in a couple of years, it was the move. He was 3 years in, was owed a lot of money, had regressed to being nearly useless, and to top it all off, the timing was that a GM had the opportunity to make his mark. His options were: 1. go with what he had, overpay a guy who was failing and wasn't even his guy, or 2. move on, reset the rookie contract clock, and take a shot with his own guy. No smart businessman (or anyone else with anything on the line) takes option 1 - just wasn't going to happen. No GM would come into that set of circumstances and keep Darnold - hell, most guys don't even keep guys who are much better than Darnold. Unless you've got a Rodgers, a Brees, a Brady, you don't go with "someone else's guy" when you are putting your career on the line. No shot he was gonna go with a guy who had failed so badly - regardless of whether the coach and organization failed him (which they most certainly did). He may have made the wrong choice in QB, he may be out of here in shame in a couple of years - but going with his own guy was the right choice. As far as the draft picks, the Jets have PLENTY of draft picks both this year and in future years. If they can't make it work with what they have, then he's out of here anyway and won't be around to do anything with the draft picks he would have acquired. It's clear you don't agree, and that's fine.
Glad to hear that you "understand the business side of football', unlike the rest of us. As you said, it took you many years. I've apparently been incorrectly following football for many years by focusing on wins and losses. But, as you say, no "smart businessman" would care that his team is 0-3 , and the team he foolishly traded Sam to is 3-0 while Sam is tearing up the league. After all, our "business side" is what really matters, right? You practically admit that Douglas made the wrong choice and screwed the jets for many years, but why should we care if we are "smart businessmen," who understand the business side like you, right? Next time I check the scores around the league, I will look at which teams won and lost, and THEN carefully think about your very pragmatic and more important benchmark of but "Which teams understand the business side of football?" (like you and Joe Douglas do). Thanks for educating me on what is REALLY important about a football team.
Do you really think you would be seeing that Sam Darnold if we had retained him? You offer up some proof in your own post (bolded) he was done here for many reasons, so there is no doubt about it, if he had stayed behind this OL he would have been as bad as Wilson, you should just be pleased he has escaped and is currently proving he is a competent QB after all, the world is his oyster now and we get to suck on the shitty salty remains, excellent.
This is actually incorrect which was discussed at length during the offseason. Sam's player option had to be decided on before this year, essentially meaning that you had to lock in his 2022 salary this offseason. The Panthers did this in May to the tune of 18.9M that is now fully guaranteed for 2022.
The way they have all started this season they may all want another slice of the pie in 22 so maybe not all is lost But yes, trading down for as many picks as possible is the way to go now, how many OL can you feasibly pick with our 5 1st rounders next year lol
All those other guys sucking does not make Wilson or the Jets one iota better. Why do so many here want to try to rationalize by citing the mess of others?
Darnold was not due "a lot of money." He had a year left on his rookie deal and was eligible for the fifth year extension at less than what a legitimate starter would get. Keeping him and drafting one of the so far mediocre QB bunch would have given the Jets options to get someone who could be brought into the new system with time to acclimate. Trading down a few spots but still staying in the top 10-12 picks would have put one of the QB prospects here with the chance for him to not be forced onto the field in game one. If Darnold improved under the new regime and the draftee thrived having two viable and valuable assets would be the best situation the Jets have been in in decades.
