Pressure rate can be an empty statistic. You can add a pressure to the stat book on a 30 yard completion. As we know, that does not happen on a closed deal sack. If he was as disruptive as advertised, the Bengals wouldn't have had the 19th ranked pass defense against the 9th fewest attempts. He was a solid signing because the upside potential was there given the age and the fact that it really only amounts to a two year deal. He was paid appropriately and Douglas didn't overextend. But he's way over hyped here. Maybe because we haven't had an edge that can even generate pressure on their own since John Abraham was dealt away.
Even after signing him, I believed we needed to use a high pick on an Edge sooner or later. Thibodeaux is the cream of the crop so far, but Zach Harrison, George Karlaftis, Aidan Hutchinson are good prospects in their own right. We need a homegrown star so that we don't have to bank on a FA to fill the void.
I'd rather have a guy that consistently puts pressure on the QB even though his total sacks are middle of the pack vs a guy that has 15 sacks and is invisible the rest of the time. That said, I'm not saying Lawson is the next LT (Lawrence Taylor for you young guys). I will tell you I haven't even seen Lawson play (that I remember). But I do think pressure rates are important. It can force the QB to throw it away or check it down as opposed to hitting a guy that would have come free a second later.
I think Quinnen Williams gives us some flexibility if he really grows in this system. We definitely want to continue to get younger but with an extremely disruptive player you can sacrifice some top end talent on the edge. That's why Huff might be already next to him because he's fast.
This is the same line of thinking that ran Leonard Williams out of town and look what he did last year. The pressures usually become sacks
Future sacks? Why hasn't that materialized yet for him then? He's not a rookie. Pressure rate is rather subjective as are a lot of these advanced analytics. They can get a pressure rate added to their count without really effecting the play. It's nice to look at and try to draw conclusions from, but how can you tell me a guy with high pressure rate and 5 sacks is better than a guy with 15? How many guys have triple the amount of sacks and aren't a consistent issue for opposing teams?
I like the signing but we did offer a larger contract than he would have gotten elsewhere. Nobody was going to give 15 million a year with 30 guaranteed to a guy with two ACL injuries and a 5.5 sack ceiling. The contract we gave him was what made him a project. We gambled he could he stay healthy and be more productive alongside Q.
All this discussion of Lawson - the main point is that we expect Becton to do better against him than he was. That's true whether Lawson is actually elite or just good.
He has to prove that last year was not an anomaly before we annoint him. Aldon Smith, Randy Gregory and DeMarcus Lawrence all had excellent PFF pass rushing grades and pressure rates. They combined for 14.5 sacks on a defense that at one point was on track to be one of the worst in NFL history. Is it safe to say that they weren't as disruptive as the "analytics" and pressure rate may infer? Because most teams that have three dynamic pass rushers (using pressure rate as a barometer) are going to have good defenses.
You might be right, but I'm greedy. Since Abraham was traded, we haven't had that disruptive player off the edge.
It seems everyone is concerned about the O-line pass blocking ..I feel they have to focus on run blocking… this team has to run the ball efficiently the Shanahan passing offense is predicated on play action ….I don’t think it’s wise to ask a rookie QB to throw 35 times a game .. get this O-line unit to open running lanes (which Becton does well) for our RB ..keep Wilson from third and long situation , and he needs to get rid of the ball in 3 seconds or less..This ain’t college he won’t have 4 or 5 seconds to throw
Not sure - took a while for Williams sacks to materialize as well. Sacks are an overrated stat. As someone said earlier, would much rather have a guy who consistently pressure than a guy who gets 10 sacks but isn’t consistently in the backfield
I have said right from the beginning, I'll wait to see how this team plays...meaning coaches, players, etc. HC has stated over and over its a work in progress and he is , his own words, the eternal optimist. I get the coach, he is not going to hammer the OL even if he believes they maybe or shoud I say mediocre. But Packers kicked there asses and now we have Cimini's comments about them getting stuffed again today, if this doesn't concern this HC , and Frankly, I believe he is, then maybe not all is well in JET LAND folks. When BB starts sending zero blitzes at Wilson and the OL continues to struggle (as referenced by Matt L during Packers scrimmages) he is toast. And you can bet your bottom dollar that every DC sees what NE does and they will copy... For me its a bit disconcerting to to hear that this OL that has "essentially" been together since OTA's is still struggling in PP. I know, new system, new coaches and new players but come on, The season is right around the corner - like 18 days I think - I know they need to jell but right now they are not playing well and game 1 is what maybe 18 days away. Do any of you think they will magically get their shit together by then, cause I don't. Hope I am wrong, but Ouchy got it right, JD OL improvements have not worked thus far...
I think all of us are, and will remain, "concerned" until we see the OL in real games. I'm sure they're not displaying all their looks vs. other teams right now, and they're still learning how to work together as a unit. And that last part has been significantly impaired by the injuries. And I don't care if JD assembled the current day version of the Five Blocks of Granite, it would take them some time to adjust to each other and the blocking schemes. None of this is to say that there isn't reason for any of us to have a "Show me" mentality, but to say that Douglas doesn't know what's he's doing is a far stretch IMO. Do you really think a guy who played college ball as a OL, and who has years of experience in scouting and assessing players having worked in excellent organizations, doesn't know how to assemble a decent OL? And keep in mind he's really only had two drafts and FA periods to get this far. If you want to remain pessimistic, that's fine, but as someone who has been a long time Jets pessimist, I'm choosing to be cautiously optimistic at this point. I think once they get all 5 starters playing together, we'll see a big improvement. And when we see the full playbook installed and run, we'll see improvement. And as Zach becomes more and more comfortable, we'll see him being able to improvise when things break down far better than Sam did, and that will also lead to overall improvement. But against the upper echelon teams, I expect to see us struggle. What I hope is that we avoid the all out debacles we saw with Bowles and Gase with Darnold, and Zach stays injury-free. If we can do that, we'll see exciting football and be able to surprise more than a few teams. But hate if you want to.
McGovern is good to very good. Van Roten got a lot better as the year went along. Fant is solid. Moses is a very good OL. You seem to have forgotten or be completely discounting the fact that it was a new OL last year, there were no OTAs, minicamp or preseason, and an abbreviated TC. That expecially affects how an OL would play together. You also are ignoring that some of the OL were always going to be short-term stop gaps, and that we changed blocking schemes this year, and players are adjusting to the new scheme, and new techniques the new OL Coach is teaching them. JD can't force players to sign here, and he shouldn't ridiculously overpay like Mac did. If he had, you'd be killing him for that. Admit it. You just don't like him or his approach. If you had valid concerns and criticisms, that would be one thing, but yours are of the variety that you're trying to convince us that you know more than JD, and that's utter BS!
