I just want DENZEL MIMS to flourish tonight as one of our starting outside WR's in order to put an end to this thread in which was created by a beat writing hack who's paid to attack young kids in order to create for Training Camp "drama".
You can coach up route running and blocking to some degree, but what I've never really seen in the NFL is a player with lazy habits turn it around. The clue is in the physical traits: "...size (6-foot-3, 207 pounds) and speed (4.38 seconds in the 40-yard dash)." He's never had to work hard, and doesn't know what that even feels like. He may well think he's working hard, but it's obviously not enough. I think his hamstring issue last year was a direct result of him not being in shape. I wouldn't "fire sale" him, but if they got a good offer - at least a high 3rd minimum - I'd trade him. But failing that, I'd keep him and see if he can be that rare exception that turns it around. I do think that if that's possible, it would be with this CS, and having to fight his way for minutes. Too bad, but not a rare story for pro athletes who are coddled from the earliest days in organized sport.
I'm okay with giving him a chance, but it's very troubling to read between the lines of the CS to hear that he hasn't really worked hard enough. Stats mean nothing without effort.
So all the sudden the Jets have so much WR depth they can unload a 2020 2nd Rounder? Does this guy know which team he is writing about and their history of underachievement and injury?
The answer to the OP title is to develop him into a starting receiver. Just because the guy isn't there yet doesn't make him a lost cause. Corey Davis is probably an answer for 2 seasons with that contract and they'll have to find an answer sooner than that at split end, it's not a position that Moore will be able to play a lot of. Honestly this is not a bad scenario for a guy that needs work, he's not going to be forced into action and learn bad habits, he gets to develop the right way.
We might have a ton of WR depth now, but Crowder and Cole are under contract for a year while Davis has 3 years. Moore has looked promising in TC, be we need multiple receivers who can be long term answers.
I know. I shouldn't let it get to me, but it does. For the first time since Rex was hired, and Parcells before that, we have a legitimate reason to be hopeful and excited about the future. I guess some people just don't want to be happy or positive. Maybe they have more fun being negative.
I agree, but the problem is that it's not just Cimini. He's influencing other reporters, and they're questioning and writing negative shit too.
Good post. I was prepared to say that we have one of our rare disagreements, but I went back and re-read some of his draft profile comments, and you are spot on, with the exception of trading him. I think that would be a BIG mistake. I must have gotten him confused with someone else last year, because I would have sworn that I remember reading about his great heands and work ethic, but instead I found the following: From CBS.com: "So why didn't I see him separate with his speed in 2019? Was he hurt? There were too many plays where a defender stayed right on his hip. That's part of the reason why he had 20 contested catches, the second-most in college football last year. But Mims had just a 48.8% contested catch rate, only slightly above average according to Pro Football Focus. PFF also noted Mims' low yards after catch per reception average (2.8 yards, tied for 308th among college receivers with 50-plus targets), suggesting he didn't often break away from coverage when he did make catches like he used to. Can Mims bring that acceleration back so he can get consistent targets game after game? Also, Mims had seven dropped passes in 2019, and 12 in 2018. Sometimes he'd make jaw-dropping circus catches and sometimes he'd drop easy slant passes. Could this habit cost him the chance at serious playing time? Mims' route-running also left something to be desired. He seemed inconsistent — his stutter-steps were convincing but he'd round his cuts frequently. Double-moves looked unnatural and didn't open up space. He also didn't run everything on the route tree and did nearly all of his damage lined up wide. That's something he began improving on at the Senior Bowl, but unless coaches are confident in his progress, it might stunt his path to every-down work. And yes, Mims is tall and physical but he's also lanky and wasn't a consistent tackle-breaker. Does he have the power to barrel through NFL defenders' tackles? I'd like it a lot better if Mims weren't rushed onto the field and given time to improve his technique. Davante Adams had a similar profile coming out of school and took three years to break out despite being a second-round pick (and Adams didn't top 1,000 yards until his fifth year). Fantasy managers shouldn't bank on dividends from Mims in 2020 unless he finds himself in the perfect spot with plenty of targets. Short of that, he could get lucky and be a red-zone threat that reels in six scores throughout the upcoming season, but even 800 yards seems rather optimistic. " From NFL.com: "Weaknesses Lacks release quickness to slide past press jam Early push upfield is dull and lacks urgency Slow gather and break from a normal stride Routes lack focus and salesmanship Too tall into stems, with modest burst coming out Competitive nature is lacking in many phases Allows coverage to crowd routes and contest catches Needs to become more physical at the top of his route Despite size, gets bullied at the catch point History of drops and poor success rate on contested catches" I didn't remember any of this stuff at all. I definitely must have gotten him mixed up with someone else or just watched game film and highlights film, but forgot to read these comments. If I had, I wouldn't have been so anxious about JD trading down and risking missing out on him. I didn't realize that it took Davante Adams 5 years to reach 1,000 yards in a season. The Jets should definitely push Mims, but also be patient. He has the talent to develop into another Davante Adams. I'm glad that JD went out and added Davis, Cole and Moore, and they can give Mims time to develop. Hopefully, he will, and there are signs that he's starting to work hard and improve.
Yeah, big red flags that I frankly didn't see myself prior to drafting him and his first year. I excused a lot of it because of Gase and the CS, but there's no excuse now, and it's very troubling. I'm not chomping at the bit to trade him, but like I said, if they got a good offer, then it might be for the best.. Again, I'll defer to Saleh and Douglas, but if Mims wants to play and earn a second contract, he needs to step up way more than he has.
Seems like a JD swing and miss. Does not seem to want to be a good player. Did not work out with Wilson when our other wide outs did. All the talent in the world but lacks the mental side of it.
It's a complicated situation. The logical thing to do is keep him for depth. However he doesn't play special teams and so he's a waste of a roster spot in that role. Teams only dress 47 or 48 players on game day so theoretically you can hide him in the 5 or 6 non-dressed. However teams usually have their 6th WR hidden that way not the 7th guy. It's possible the Jets best option is to trade him for a conditional pick in the '23 draft based on how he does for his new team in 2021 and 2022.
This is the New York Jets - no writer needs to "(reach) for negativity here." Grantland Rice couldn't find enough good things to fill a paragraph. Writers report what's happening; columnists tell us how they feel about it.
Dude, you couldn't possibly be any more clueless, but then I think you're a troll, a fan of another team, and not a Jets fan, so carry on.
Sometimes young players have to be knocked down before they can get back up, let’s see if he gets back up. Certainly not gonna make any determinations before he even plays a preseason game. The conversation at this point of cutting or trading him is beyond ridiculous and one of the things I hate about the over coverage nowadays of training camp. Lafleur himself said Mims has been responding, we’ll see if it continues.
He was drafted knowing he had a very limited route tree experience. That wasn't an issue with the previous system but now it is. It will take some time for him to make his routes more precise as required by this system. According to Saleh and Lafleur it's not an issue with his effort or understanding, he just needs time and experience with it. He might be one of those guys that takes a few years for things to click.
