Our 2021 Draft debacle

Seems like you had A LOT to get off of your chest, Ouchy....lol....

 

I kind of agree with this general sentiment. Keeping Sam and doing "the Niners trade" or some close facsimile I feel like would have netted us so many more picks that its difficult to see how what happened was the best odds of success.

However....

If Zach turns out to be the real deal and really turns out to be a baby-faced top 10 NFL QB then everything will be roses and what we did will turn out to be brilliant.

So really nobody knows if it was smart or not until we see what happens. I'm personally extremely skeptical about Wilson pulling it off but I'm sure as hell hoping he does.

 

Also I should add.

I don't think the people currently running the Jets are stupid. And they obviously weighed the general idea of what Ouchy laid out on their scales. So with whatever expertise they bring to the table they obviously decided that Zach Wilson was the way to go. And that is literally the ONLY thing that keeps me hopeful that we didn't just blow the living piss out of a golden opportunity to put a decent team together.

 

With QB you want the best. They’re not fungible. So if our guy ends up being better than those others, we’re fine. If Mac Jones or one of the others is better, we indeed screwed up. Time will tell.

 

I'm quite tired of the madden esque trades you guys come up with or hypothetical scenarios that won't happen. Here's the bottom line. Wilson is the QB the staff felt fits perfectly in this system. If Fields was the answer, maybe the Jets entertain offers, trade back and get him. Guess what, they didn't so this post is moot. Wilson is the guy Saleh, LaFleur and JD felt fit the most. Not fields, not mac Jones, not any other QB aside from TL.

Here's another shocking thing. Teams trade up because they have a board of prospects they like! The Jets sit there and feel they got two top 10 prospects in Wilson and AVT. Then feel Moore was totally worth NOT trading down and in fact felt he was a first rounder in itself.

So it's silly to think all of these players WE feel are worthy of the team when the staff didn't feel that way. So it's silly to compare to the Dolphins do or feel envious. I don't feel nor care what other teams did with their drafts.

And if you want to hang your hat on what pundits say, consensus is the Jets had a good draft especially bringing in weapons on offense.

 

If we make the playoffs in the next 2-3 years with Zach Wilson leading the team, will create an equally as lengthy post on why you were so wrong here?

As for the post itself, I essentially stopped reading when you asked, “Is the difference between Mac Jones and Zack Wilson that much?” Because yes...yes it is. Also, JD crushed his first 4 picks. We just got impact players and probable starters at 4 different offensive positions.

No more arrows in the quiver? You forgetting we have 2 1sts and 2 2nds next year?

Jesus man, I know you wanted to trade down and keep Sam. Then you wanted us to trade down because “everyone trades down the year before they take their QB”. Which is just factually incorrect btw. Like I said in another response to a post of yours, JD may not be rebuilding this team according to the plan you prefer but if you can’t see the foundations he’s already laid for this team then I can’t help you. Enjoy wallowing in your own misery while I celebrate these new additions to my favorite team!

 

And another thing. Two Shanahan-run offensive teams who needed QB's felt Fields wasn't THE guy for their teams. It speaks a lot....maybe they both are wrong...but there you go.

 

The guy with the Sam avatar wanted to keep Sam.

Think it's time you accepted a hard troof: he wasn't the answer for the Jets.

I agree with another poster the trade down scenarios year in year out get stale real quick. Like if they don't accumulate 100 picks it was a bad draft.

 

I stopped at "Don't read this if you don't want to know the harsh truth".

And the only reason I'm responding to this is because it's boring, tedious, and simply a screed based upon false assumptions. I'm not going to take the time to pick apart these assumptions, because most people here can see how wrong they are without any help form me.

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but people who have a reputation as having good opinions also know when to admit they're wrong or have made a mistake, and don't continue beating everyone over the head with their wrong opinion.

But, hey, you're entitled to do what you want.

 

You are stressing out way too much about this. When you take a test they don’t give you the answer key. Of course the Jets would change some things if they knew how the board would play out.

 

You said multiple times you would've have drafted Devonta Smith at two, now you're complaining about not trading down.

Also hindsight is 20/20.

 

This reads as, "I'm displaying my frustration and anger because the Jets didn't do what I wanted to do in this draft."

 

Tl:dr from what I managed to read before I had a seizure was op doesn’t like Wilson should have traded down. If only there was a thread where the subject was Wilson.

 

The only reason to bash a draft or a player before they even take a step on the field in the NFL is so you can come back later with bragging rights to say "I told you so."

Can't even let the kids play before shitting on them, huh? At least if they do fail it can help you with the illusion of repairing your fragile ego, so it's win-win for you.

 

And if only Douglas' foresight was as good as ouchy's hindsight!

 

This x1000. All credibility shot. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

 

Let me start with one thing. I am usually a huge fan of trading down when we can get value.

Now my first problem with your assumption. All draft are not equal. Collecting future asset value does not guaranteed you will get premium players in the future. Next year draft could stink ass and the picks you got trading down could be in the late 20s or even in the 30s.

Furthermore, I truly believe that this year QB draft class is special and we will talk about it for years to come just like 2004. Next year draft class is still very unknown and there are no guarantee we would be well positioned to draft the best talent at the position again.

Second, you truly are NOT a fan because you don't like Zach Wilson. It is very obvious and quite farcical. If we had landed the 1st overall you would never suggest all these crazy trade down scenario to get Mac Jones. My belief is that we got a special talent at QB and he will become a superstar player, it is also obvious that Joe Douglas and co. have the same belief as they were focused on Zach Wilson from day 1. If you believe in Zach Wilson you don't consider any trade down scenario.

As for trading up for AVT. I am obviously not a fan as it was a self inflicting wound type of selection. We painted ourself in a corner by not addressing the obvious guard need in free agency. AVT is by far the best guard in this year draft class, so we made sure we filled that need and were very aggressive in doing so. I am not a fan of trading up to 14 maybe a bit higher could have worked but maybe JD did not want to risk losing him and then have nothing to show for at guard. I also think that if AVT become a pro bowl guard nobody would bat an eye that we traded away 2 x 3rd round pick to get him.

Finally, it is obvious that JD has a plan and Zach Wilson is the most important piece of that plan so getting him protection and tools early is also great as it could prevent us from another Darnold situation.

Also we will also have a ton of draft capital next year and we could continue building on from this year draft.

I am on the opposite of your draft evaluation. I believe that Joe Douglas knocked it out of the park and this draft will be pivotal in our future super bowl championship team.

 

I give him an A for effort.