CuMar was the same way as Tiki. He never fought for extra yardage. He'd run out of bounds or go down immediately to avoid harder hits.
BS! I have rarely ever accused anyone of trolling. I think this is only my 2nd or 3rd time in all the years I've been on this site. I'm glad that you're comfortable knowing the consensus disagrees with you. I hope that you will be equally comfortable ackowledging how wrong you were when Fields doesn't develop and either busts or is a "meh" QB in the NFL.
Martin was an easy tackle. He didn’t give you much yards beyond what was blocked. This might be considered blasphemous to say among Jets fans but it’s the truth. His best trait as a RB was his durability. He was durable because he didn’t take much hits. He went down faster than a hooker at The Point or Tom Brady. Tiki because of his elusiveness and speed got more out of his blocking even if he didn’t finish his runs like a traditional RB.
they don't. I actually just looked it up. nobody lists RBs as a top concussion getter. I was surprised to learn CB is actually the highest but 75% of them are due to their own poor tackling technique (launching helmet 1st into players) players like rolle shied away from contact as some CBs do. The top 3 positions for concussions are CB, WR, and LBer. of all concussions 44% are on passing plays, 30% on running plays , 21% on special teams (i'm aware the numbers don't add up i'm taking it from the article) lineman are 4th most likely. Also depends on how you compile the data. RBs are listed 6th if you break out o-line positions but are 7th if you make o-line 1 position. which makes o-lineman 3rd highest as a whole. So no the stats prove that RBs don't only QB, D-line have less concussions then RB. But see that is something you should do. read and learn. Like i just learned CBs have the most. I never would have thought that personally but it's due to their poor tackling technique. I thought WR would be most but they are 2nd behind CB
I don’t take it as a compliment. Where I’m from only someone who truly knows you can say something like that to you.
okay Legler, I can respect that. I will take your personal experience and background into account and will refrain from using it with you in the future, since you don't take it as a compliment. I am sure NC and others will do the same thing, since the whole point was to compliment you and not insult you.
yes the NFL has adapted very QB friendly protection rules to ensure that. they take much less abuse then they used to. I'm not concerned with fields epilepsy so IDK why your hell bent on this. I'm concerned with his skill set and film. not to the point where I wouldn't draft him. If wilson wasn't in the draft i'd have a hard time picking between fields or jones. I think fields will be good. but all indicators are that wilson is better. that was my only thing. I don't dislike fields. no prospect is perfect. I just think wilson is better.
disagree. I was watching film on trask very early in the draft process and 1 player stood out more then anyone else on the field. To the point where I was like who the fuck is that guy. he's redicilous. it was pitts. then I watched more on pitts. dude is a legit beast who should be a top 5 TE in the NFL easily. probbaly top 3 with kelce and kittle. he should pass up waller by year 2
If you are not concerned, why are you jumping in the convo? Any ongoing discussion or debate takes at the very least 2 parties engaging. It seems to me you share equal responsibility in the continuation of this topic as you keep responding. This whole tangent started because someone said Fields had a “fragile body” due to his epilepsy and a big injury risk. That’s what was being debated. You either agree or disagree with that take. @Jonathan_Vilma & I disagree. That’s it; plain and simple.
one can't control how a comment is taken, only how it's presented. saying you are better then this is a compliment as well as a "trigger" to make you realize your not acting up to par with how you should be. it's basically a nice way of saying your a good dude, stop being a dick. That's not condescending. condescending would be like saying. Your not better then this, your feeble mind doesn't allow you to post anything worth while.
Not exactly. I just don't buy it into being some sort of big deal considering he's a better athlete than all three of em. Of course he's going to scramble more, he has more of that natural capability. Oh ok. I've posted highlight tapes before or specifically a video about his throwing mechanics and reading defenses and you said who cares it's a couple plays. You do and now it's evidence. Got it. He's not flawless, I don't think anyone said he did. How often was Wilson throwing to his third and fourth read? Or anyone for that matter. I posted a Peyton Manning college reel a while back and he threw to his first read on nearly every play. Samari Rolle conveniently wasn't physical, and shied away from contact, right? Sounds like you're making up some horseshit that's hard to prove to fit your narrative as usual. He had typical cornerback tackling stats and played on one of the most physical defenses of all time. How exactly did you determine he shied away from contact?
it's a conversation and i was making the point comparing a RB and CB to a QB isn't a fair comparison either way. whether the epilispy affects his career is a different conversation but what you are doing is saying well an orange is sour so a banana must be too because they are both fruits. IDK why you make off the wall comparisons and we aren't doctors you can simply say it's not a concern to you and respect other people's opinions on if it is a concern to them. the issue in these 300+ pages is that you don't have any respect for others opinions, only your own
Saying you are better than this gives the false pretense that a) you know someone and b) you know what’s best. Neither are true on a message board.
I didn't like it either, but a "major concern"? More like an anecdote for which to give him crap for, as Milne pointed out.
He needs to work on reading Ds. The NFL is whole other beast than college defenses. He was very good at reading college Ds, but still needed improvement there. He will definitely need to work to learn to read NFL Ds, spot blitzes, disguised coverages, etc. He needs to adjust to the speed of the NFL and the tighter coverages of receivers. He needs to work on decision making. He didn't do it that often, but one can clearly see that on some snaps he decided before the snap where he was throwing the ball and then never went through his progressions. He still usually made something positive happen, but that likely won't be the case in the NFL. He missed some easy TD and big gainers. He needs to work on taking snaps from under center and taking his drops. I hope that they will break him of completely turning his back to the LOS and doing that looping thing he does. It makes him late on some throws and can miss some reads. Since so much of this offense is play-action based, he needs to work on faking handoffs to the RB. I hope that he will work with Chad Pennington on this, as he was a master. Most importantly he needs to change his overly aggressive approach, both in terms of throwing and running. He needs to run less and when he runs, he needs to slide or get out of bounds. No more trying to hurdle defenders or throwing his throwing shoulder into a defender. In terms of passing, he needs to anticipate more and develop timing with his receivers. There are likely some throws that he will be able to get away with vs some teams and some DBs, but won't be able to get away with on other teams/DBs. That will probably take some time. I'm hoping that they will get a viable veteran QB like Minshew so that Wilson can sit for at least half of his rookie season. If so, then just learning the offense well, adjusting to the speed of the NFL, making adjustments on his small window throws and on his decision making, developing timing and chemistry with his offensive teammates and adding 10-15 pounds of muscle will make it successful. If he starts every game, I think a successful rookie season looks like a plus 60% completion percentage, close to a 2-1 TD to turnover ratio, and around 2,500 - 3,000 yards and leading the team to at least 6-7 wins. His pocket poise, mobility, accuracy, ability to make all the throws, and ball placement translate immediately. His quick decision making will translate if he learns the offense well enough and they don't throw too much at him.
I asked him to clarify why his body is “fragile”. I’ve already expressed several times since the news dropped that though the epilepsy is not a concern for me I can understand why some might take him off their board. You guys should stop trying to police this thread and just post your thoughts.
Yeah but nobody is arguing that Fields isn't a better athlete/runner, he clearly is. This all stemmed from me looking up how many of the best QB's in the league are dual threat guys. It's barely any in the top 10. The counter to that would be that Fields isn't a QB who is prone to falling back on his athleticism and running but the data indicates that he actually is that type of guy, at double the rate of the other prospects. If you use an offense where your QB runs a lot it's likely going to be less efficient (passing is more efficient than running) and carry a much higher risk that your most important player gets hurt.
yes a couple of plays is that just a couple of plays. but this is fields every play. his 1st target was open a lot. that's the issue with scouting any QB in college. easy systems against vanilla defenses. college is purposely set up that way due to high turnover and kids having more to do then just football. it needs to be made easy. the NFL is different. but with fields I don't see any ability to read a field or defense and that'll only hurt more in the NFL. maybe he fixes it but he's gonna be one of those guys who either runs a lot (like josh allen his rookie year) or a guy you yell at your TV to throw the dam ball. and mind you I didn't cherry pick out plays. it's a highlight reel someone else posted that shows all the concerns i've said about fields and how he translates to the NFL. wilson keeps his eyes downfield and looks to make plays fields doesn't he just takes off or takes a sack
Both players need to work on reading defenses. Maybe Wilson is a little better, but not as much as many in this thread are claiming.
