Fields, Wilson, Jones, Trask, Lance (Volume 3)

Discussion in 'Draft' started by Brook!, Apr 8, 2021.

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Who would you pick at #2?

  1. Fields

    26.8%
  2. Wilson

    58.8%
  3. Other - Please Explain

    2.1%
  4. Trade Down

    12.4%
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  1. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    Damn, you found an angle anyway.

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  2. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    Those positions don't take a lot of head abuse. CBs don't take much abuse at all since they opt to do the hitting and aren't the one's being hit. with RBs again not a lot of head hits. they take hits lower and they get to cover up for hits. QB is different. and FWIW i'm in the camp his epilepsy isn't an issue teams should be concerned about but it doesn't mean you need to make things up that make no sense to prove it. you can simply just say you don't think it'll be an issue and others can say it may be. none of us are doctors nor do we have medical records nobody is an expert on it here so what kind of point are you making? the answer is none. I can't believe you've wasted your whole weekend still doing this as well as others
     
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  3. patleahy

    patleahy Well-Known Member

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    haha thanks dude. ;)
     
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    legler82 Well-Known Member

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  5. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Runningbacks don't take a lot of head abuse? Hmm.
     
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  6. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    QBs are playing to their 40s now. I would say that’s an indication that they take far less abuse than any other position other than a kicker/punter. Don’t worry about how I “waste” my time as I don’t really don’t give much thought about how you do yours.
     
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    patleahy Well-Known Member

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    not ALL of them, Jonathan. Once again, context and perspective matter. Running styles matter, etc. Tiki was a guy who had a league-wide reputation for shying away from contact and running out of bounds rather than plowing ahead to gain every single yard he could. so it makes sense that a back like tiki would suffer a lot less head abuse and overall physical abuse to his body than more physical backs who basically have a "BRING IT ON" attitude when they see defenders closing in on them. Also, as noted above, Tiki retired prematurely, which is perfectly in line with a guy whose primary aim was to do everything he could to limit the abuse his body took on the field.
     
  8. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    I only played high school football so maybe it gets easier for running backs in college and the pros. All I know is that in HS our RBs stayed on the training table.
     
  9. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    A player can be more conscious about taking excess contact without heading for the friggain hills and literally not getting hit like you're insinuating.

    By the way. Let's see how cornerback and runningback stack up against quarterback since the local experts here have just told us quarterbacks are more susceptible to head trauma.

    https://medium.com/@PhilipAndrews/what-positions-are-most-prone-to-concussions-f8621bdb851f

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  10. patleahy

    patleahy Well-Known Member

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    the reasoning and data employed by that study which you just cited, Jon, is inherently flawed and has already been discredited by multiple sources including JAMA and the NEJM.
     
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    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    Like I said I hate your style.
     
  12. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    You have a link to that?

    Evidence based is frustrating. Everyone should Google it and try to find the article that fits their narrative. I doubt they'll find any that supports quarterbacks experiencing head trauma more frequently than skill position players on either side of the ball.
     
  13. Snatch Catch

    Snatch Catch Well-Known Member

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    This is maybe a personal reference thing unique to me, but reading that article below gave me my first major concern about Wilson.

    Setting up a hidden camera to catch someone doing something wrong is one thing, but checking the secret footage to see what your friends were doing when you weren't around is a whole other thing that's REALLY f*cked up to me. That's borderline psychopathic/sociopathic behavior. I'd be furious if I was one of those friends, and basically cut off the friendship. I guess it's different when you're the star college QB with major NFL prospects.

    I'm sure that JD and Co have done their due diligence, so I'm not freaking out about it or anything, and I'm optimistic and hopeful about Zach's prospects on the field for the Jets. But that is a MASSIVE red flag for me, personally.
     
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  15. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    How about this one?

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...t-concussions-according-nfl-report/849749001/

     
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    The raw number of plays is less important than the trend it implies. Either way, what you should be looking at are the number of pressures. That's the sample size in question and 80+ pressures is a large enough sample size to draw conclusions about what each prospect tends to do when pressured. Kudos on trying to make the statistics misleading yourself (or misunderstanding them?) by picking out the smaller number trying to imply some sample size bias.

    We can play the semantics game with my initial claim all day but it's pretty obvious I was comparing him to the other prospects. Why would I be comparing him to anyone else for the purpose of this discussion?

    Unless you just want to be difficult because your initial claim was patently false, I get it. Maybe we should try you out at CB with the elite backpedaling ability.
     
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  17. Noam

    Noam Well-Known Member

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    I agree about the camera thing even for a 20 year old kid. I found that creepy and poor judgment even if his roommates did not seem to mind.
     
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    I guarantee you a lot of all-time great players have done things far dumber in college. I'm just a regular dude and I know I have.
     
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  20. ouchy

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    Did I really just read 3 pages about the ins and outs of epilepsy in the NFL?

    This is page 133 of, "LETS REACH FOR A QB WITH THE SECOND PICK".

    I'm starting to hope we just take Sewell.
     
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