Fields, Wilson, Jones, Trask, Lance (Volume 3)

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Who would you pick at #2?

  1. Fields

    26.8%
  2. Wilson

    58.8%
  3. Other - Please Explain

    2.1%
  4. Trade Down

    12.4%
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  1. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    One prospect has several different collegiate injuries that kept him and a small frame = will not be injury prone.

    Another prospect has an ideal bulky frame and nothing but a couple bumps and bruises in college = injury prone.

    Hmm..
     
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    patleahy Well-Known Member

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    come on Jonathan....stop playing devil's advocate just for the hell of it....it's not that simple and you KNOW that.
     
  3. cval

    cval Well-Known Member

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    The draft is Thursday. Unless we have all been duped the 2nd pick will be Wilson. My questions are.

    1. What does Wilson need to work on?
    1a. What does he need to change immediately to have any chance?
    2. What does a successful rookie season look like and how does the coaching help that?
    3. What does he do well that will translate right away in this offense?
     
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    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    @Noam made it quite simple and you thought that was excellent.
     
  5. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Dude. I'm going to state my opinions every single day and twice on Saturdays. Enough with this come on stuff. I'm not playing devil's advocate.

    The board is examining the injury likelihood of the player without the injury history and a condition that is generally controlled by medicine/has not been exposed while he played the college game. But I guess all the doctors on this website know a lot about it without looking into it at all.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scien...orts should be decided on an individual basis

     
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    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like bag of nothing.
     
  7. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    They call it a nothing burger where I'm from.
     
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  8. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    rumor is niners are deciding between lance and jones now. fields isn't in the discussion for them anymore
     
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    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    A lot of that going on in here today.
     
  10. Borat

    Borat Well-Known Member

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    But what would you call it if Wilson had it? You were VERY concerned with his labrum tear years ago in spite of Jets being happy with medical evals, yet epilepsy on Fields is nothing.
     
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    bicketybam Well-Known Member

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    Looks like another organization that can't see the dynamic potential of Justin Fields. Wait, they are built to win now and they don't need a superstar that needs a little time like Fields. Wait, Lance though? This is all very head scratching
     
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  13. BrowningNagle

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    Good questions to pose.

    1) I would say he needs to work on his reads. Recognizing that he is going to have to come off his 1st read a lot in the NFL.
    1a). I'm not sure there is anything he can change immediately but he needs to add weight. That is something he can work on immediately.

    2.) I'm hoping he doesn't play right away so his rookie season would be a success if he learns how to prepare from a vet every game. If he gets time I would say a success would be if he uses the whole field in the passing game in the (hopefully) limited time he plays and not just '1 read and run's it out there

    3) He is smart. That will translate to any offense. He also has shown the ability to be accurate in the intermediate passing game. If he were to play this season, I think he would be comfortable with hitting Corey Davis on post routes as he was born to run those routes
     
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    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    The same organization that pass on Mahomes. So we do have that in common with them.
     
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    It's almost like a lot of people don't see it in Fields.

    Weird....
     
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  16. Noam

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    He has a lot to work on.
    1. He needs to throw the ball more between the hashmarks. The biggest criticism I have seen against Wilson is that he relies on his arm and like to throw outside the hashmarks rather than take the better option over the middle. Lots of Qbs struggle throwing the ball over the middle. The new Jets offense is designed to make a lot of mesh type throws over the middle.
    2. While Wilson had the best accuracy last year in college football throwing into tight windows this is also a drawback. He was a gunslinger with remarkable accuracy. But at the NFL level those windows will close and he will not be able to get away with a lot of those throws. I am guessing there will be growing pains as he learns what he can get away with and what he cannot.
    3. He needs to learn to slide and not take unnecessary hits.
    4. Like most rookies he will need to adjust to the speed of the game. In 2020 Wilson showed remarkable poise in the pocket but in 2019 when he was injured, his arm was lacking strength and he was making mistakes he often looked flustered and made some panic plays. Poise often comes with confidence. IMO he will need to ad lib a lot less, stick to the play design initially and take what the defense gives him.

    Fortunately the Jets have a very QB friendly system, real coaches and a great QB coach in Napp. Not to mention Wilson is supposed to have a great football IQ and is a tireless worker.
     
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    I wouldn’t call his body “fragile” though I can understand the apprehension.
     
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    where exactly, did I state that you weren't entitled to state your opinion every single day and/or twice on Saturdays?!!! You are as entitled to your opinion as any other member of the board, jonathanvilma...and when you aren't trolling the board by being intentionally obtuse or by mischaracterizing what others have said, you contribute solid content to the board, which I enjoy reading. The "come on stuff" as you so eloquently referred to it, was in obvious reference to your tendency to play "cutesy" with the arguments of others, rather than simply responding to them as others have done. That is all.
     
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  19. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I'm only concerned about his injury history and shoulder issues because he has a small frame, has not taken a lot of hits and has been hit in a conference that has 215 pound linebackers and 235 pound defensive ends. The more frequently you tear your labrum, the closer you are to never throwing the same again.

    Epilepsy is a condition that can be controlled and protected by medicine. A shoulder tear is not at all the same, which is why I analyze them differently.

    There are a bunch of nonsensical claims here that epilepsy is exacerbated by playing football and the study I posted proved this to be a stretch at best with no numbers behind it.
     
  20. Noam

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    According to reports a few weeks ago right after the Niner trade Field's was never in the discussion. One of the Niner beat writers said after the trade was made that he was told there was no chance the 49ers would consider Field's for the 3 pick.
     
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