So posting pff offensive line rankings is a jab at Wilson? Also I thought this whole thread was debating all the QB prospects for the Jets. What shouldn’t I take personal: “genius” or “soft”?
This is a whole lot of nothing. There are no specifics. All you did was show me that after Fields holds on to the ball for a while, which he can do because of his OL, he throws the ball a lot of yards and then claim that he doesn't dump the ball off because OSU designed their offense to utilize his speed rather than an RB out of the backfield. The first point is almost totally irrelevant to the discussion and the second is debatable unless you can source it. The bottom line is there is no significant amount of tape that shows Fields is capable of reading the field and making a quick decision which is becoming an increasingly important trait in the NFL, especially in the offense we are going to run. There's a reason the Niners apparently aren't even considering him at 3... Then you implied that because Herbert became a great passer under pressure, that means Fields can too. Sure, in theory, but you could say that about every QB then couldn't you? I bet I could find a QB that did [insert Wilson criticism here] in college but got over it in the pros... would that change your mind on him? The most annoying thing about this is I like Fields as a prospect. I think he has unbelievable potential, just like I do Wilson. What gets me is when someone pretends all criticisms of Fields can be written off all while definitively stating Wilson is going to be a bust.
You ask for specifics. I provide specifics. Then the response is that it’s “pile of nothing”. Yet I’m the one that “annoying”. Good day sir.
But you didn't provide specifics at all. You provided one stat that has nothing to do with what we are talking about, one bit of debatable opinion and then one gigantic sweeping generalization.
I feel it’s relevant and provides to context to his tendency to hold on to the ball. You don’t as you do eloquently phrased it as a “pile of nothing”. I don’t believe there is much to discuss beyond that. As in prior years, time will settle this debate. We can revisit these discussions in a couple of years and see where we stand.
Excellent point, Noam, backed up with indisputable data, and definitely food for thought regarding a potential weakness/red flag of Fields. I also have to give credit to bicketybam for this point as well, since Bickety has been talking about and mentioning Fields propensity for taking sacks while in the pocket, for at least the past week if not more.
Jonathan, it is an excellent point because it basically proves, using irrefutable data, that Fields DOES have a propensity to take sacks by holding onto the ball too long, and in the NFL that is a recipe for disaster AND injury for any QB, regardless of whether or not Fields was able to escape significant injury while doing it in college. You and I both know that the NFL is a man's game, and the stuff you were able to "get away with" in college ball will come back to bite you when playing in the NFL. No QB has been as durable or as big and strong as Big Ben in Pittsburgh, yet even he couldn't withstand all of the abuse his body took over the years and all of the shots he absorbed due to his propensity for holding onto the ball too long, and he is a hell of a lot bigger and stronger than Fields is! So both Noam and Bicketybam raise valid points regarding this red flag of Fields. Compare that to Wilson who is known for making lightning quick decisions in the pocket AND for getting rid of the ball in the blink of an eye, due to his equally quick release.
I believe Noam was just suggesting that epilepsy can be triggered AND made worse by repeated blows to the head, Legler.
You're missing the point, which I included in my original post: I know why he's holding on to the ball, I think everyone at this point in time knows why he's holding on to the ball. The OSU offense takes forever to develop. He could probably make quicker throws and get through his progressions quicker but that's not what the offense calls for. So again... the point here is that regardless of reason, there isn't overwhelming evidence on tape that shows he CAN make quick decisions and read the field.
Taking hits to the head increases the chance that Field's seizures and epilepsy will get worse making him unable to play. Given that Field's takes many more hits than the other top QB's because under pressure he runs at twice the rate of other QB's takes sacks at twice the rate of other QBs and has very poor pocket presence. While Field's might by a media darling of the non football types like Kiper and Cowherd unfortunately Field's has the highest risk of injury of any of these top QB's which is likely one of the reasons he is not in consideration to be taken in the top 3 QBs. But, even without epilepsy because of all the additional hits Field's takes he is by far is the most likely to be injured at the NFL level.
Roethlisberger averages nearly 14 games a year and that's factoring in that he missed nearly am entire season with a non-contact elbow tear. He's entering his 17th year. Wilson is the one with the injury history, but now we're drawing conclusions that Fields will automatically be injury prone. How many games has Russell Wilson missed in his career? Go look up how many times he's been sacked.
Alan Faneca had epilepsy and played a position where he was hit or getting hit EVERY SINGLE SNAP. His “fragile body” is heading to the Hall of Fame.
I don't think anyone goes a game in the NFL without getting their bell ring, kickers and punters aside. If a guard picks up a blitzing safety or linebacker late and doesn't get his arms extended, it's helmet to facemask contact. Same thing with pileups and such. It's a bit more of a risk for a quarterback I suppose, but why hasn't this reared its head in college? As everyone is stating he just takes so many sacks and runs so frequently, I'm surprised he hasn't gotten his head beaten in yet and had a seizure on the field.
Exactly!!! In this new softer and friendlier NFL, a QB has the least chance of getting hit in the head out of 22 players on the field by a WIDE margin. With the current rules protecting the QB, you so much look at a QB the wrong way and that’s a personal foul.
How about Samari Rolle a CB? How about Tiki Barber? The RB position is the equivalent of a crash dummy. Hence their usually short life span in the NFL. Both had epilepsy as well. #Fragile
