This Is why I ask... One. I do think that there are stats out there that are valid, that help paint the picture. Help, Is the key word there though. Then I specifically question PFF because I don't personally know a lot of their formula's that they use to gather these metrics. I also don't know any of these guys that are compiling these "stats", how they are figuring these things out, based on a formula that I'm assuming they created. I'm not sure how viable that Is. Again.. I get It. Analytics Is the rave now a days. I'm just not sold on it. So I take It with a grain of salt when these stats are being thrown around for anyone. In this situation... Wilson or Fields. It's cool to kinda use to establish some things, to open the eyes of others potentially, to make you ask those important questions, etc... I'm just not In that camp of claiming these stats hold any facts over anyone because of these variables. You are a smart, CC. I like that quote. Coincidentally my favorite quote, ever, is... "The two most important days In anyone's life. The day you were born and the day you find out why." I agree with you, CC. Part of the picture indeed.
PFFs job is to produce content. Since they are a publication that exclusively covers the NFL that can be a challenge as games are only played 1/4 of the year. There is plenty of other content out there if you don’t like PFF. For every negative Justin Fields article I could find you a positive Justin Fields article. Take it for what it is. Content. Next week there are going thousands of articles on the internet that analyze the NYJ draft. Some will be positive slanted while others will be negative.
When it matches up with the eye test, yes I believe it. In this case it does. More than I thought, but it does.
It is not just that he runs too much but that he takes sacks at a 25 percent rate. That is alarming. Recall that when Sanchez led the league in sack pressure rate in 2011 it was only 24 percent. Fields is 25 percent against slower less complex college defenses. This is why Fields is such a huge injury risk. Not only does Fields have the most fragile body with epilepsy ( which can get worse with blows to the head) but he is taking two to three times as many hits as the other QBs because of his lack of pocket presence, sack rate and running to soon. He throws the ball less than 60 percent when under pressure. This is alarming and a reason to take him off a teams's board and a primary reason why he is not in consideration to be picked in the top 3 QBs.
If we’re concern about Wilson’s shoulder, then what do we say about Trask’s knee. The guy hobbled the last few games, didn’t he? I want a mobile QB who runs so Lance, Fields and Wilson fit the mold for me. Moving in to the 2nd pick and Day 2 picks which to be will be crucial and IMO more invested.
I know it’s “alarming” to you. I watched EVERYONE of his snaps. So a PFF number is not going to “alarm” me when I wasn’t “alarmed” when watching him live. I think anytime someone disagrees you think they are trolling.. Seems like we go through this every time we are considering drafting a QB. There’s always something the masses harp on as being “alarming” or a “red flag” whether it be accuracy, footwork, mechanics, the system they ran, reading defenses, throwing motion, holding on to the ball, yadi yada yada. I say well it’s not a huge concern of mine based on what I’m watching and someone tells me I’m blind, dumb or trolling. Don’t know what to tell you other than, I’m not worried about it. There’s none of Fields’ negatives that I feel can’t/won’t be fixed via coaching and development. I’m comfortable knowing that the consensus disagrees with me.
Surely a genius like you can see there's a huge difference between holding onto the ball too long and running a 40 yard dash
I think what my issue is, and really everyone’s at this point, is WHY you feel like his negatives aren’t a big deal and can be fixed. You can’t point to anything specific. It’s just “nope, doesn’t matter, he will be able to adjust perfectly fine when he’s forced to make quick decisions as opposed to letting long routes develop”. Why? What makes you that confident?
I was excited to watch that Indiana game because our Jets were probably like 0-10 at the time and I wanted to see what Fields had. And he sucked that day, very disappointing. He was dynamite against Clemson though, I was ready to buy his Jets jersey, but really, really sucky against Northwestern. too inconsistent I fear. And I agree with others here, if he doesn't change his game hes gonna get hurt in the NFL. Passing on him is no big deal. He has his strengths and weaknesses like any of them. At best he's neck and neck with Wilson and Lance so you just pick the guy you like more
Sucked being completely subjective. I mean he still accounted for 385 yards, three touchdowns and won the game in the second half. Definitely wasn't his best performance though with the early turnovers.
Do you really not understand why those stats are a bit alarming? Seriously. Are you saying you disagree with the notion that it should be a cause for concern or are you saying they are wrong and there's no correlation between seeing it on tape and also seeing it on an excel sheet
it was clear that Ohio State had a significant talent advantage though. And Fields' turnovers kept Indiana in the game
I provide specifics. Holding on to the ball OSU’s offense schematically under Fields was built to have him hold on to the ball because they attacked downfield as opposed get the ball out quickly for YAC. This is evident by the FACT, Fields LED THE NCAA 2 CONSECUTIVE SEASONS in air yards. Running when blitz On April 2, 2021 I wrote Hence, the 4.4 40 reference. When forced to make quick decisions You are putting words in mouth. I didn’t say he would “adjust perfectly fine” ANYTHING. I said all of his negatives I feel IMO are fixable through coaching and development. I posted before Justin Herbert is an example. He was panicky under pressure at Oregon and under better coaching it’s become a strength. So in conclusion the specifics and supporting documentation is there, they just get ignored because they do not fit the narrative.
A coach would never schematically design their offense for the QB to hold onto the ball a long time. That's silly. Even if you had planned deep passes, you would plan for the QB to get it out as quickly as possible and the WR to run under it. Fields was able to hold on to the ball a long time and not get killed because Ohio State had a beast offensive line. That might explain the "air yards" as well. "Fields drops back. Looking, looking, looking....... Olave breaks open deep! Touchdown Ohio State!"
https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-ranking-all-127-fbs-offensive-lines-through-cfb-week-13 OK Buddy; you’re the “genius”. And I get accused of not providing specifics LOL. You got it bruh.
SMH, you are so soft. Are you like 12? We were discussing Ohio State & their QB, you dont have to take everything so personal and jab Wilson to make you feel better. We weren't even discussing him
