In the following article, the author lists 4 current Jets who could be traded after the draft. I think the author is on drugs. One, trading any of these players will create a hole, and would mean that the Jets would have to draft players at that/those position(s) and then rely on a rookie. Why would Douglas do that? If he planned to move on from any of these players, why wouldn't he do it before the draft so that he could have more draft capital to use in this very strong draft? Why would he create more holes? Why wouldn't he want a young slot WR to learn from Crowder, and a young LB to learn from Mosley? Why would he want to trade the only TE he has who is at least a halfway decent receiving option and one who fits the scheme, without giving the new CS a chance to straighten him out? Kroft is meh and mostly a blocking TE. Griffin is pretty much toast. He was invisible this past season, Wesco is pretty much only a blocking TE and FB, and Brown is only a STer. At any rate, following is the article, and I'll be curious what your thoughts are. https://thejetpress.com/2021/04/21/ny-jets-4-traded-2021-nfl-draft/4/ NY Jets: 4 players who could be traded during the 2021 NFL Draft by Mike Mitchell1 minute ago The NY Jets are undergoing a significant transformation in philosophy on the field and off. On the football side, it’s one that will see a dramatic shift in the team’s offensive and defensive schemes and a change in the types of players the brand new coaching staff, led by Robert Saleh, will covet to operate within those systems. The transformative process has already begun, but it’s still a work in progress finding the right people and players who will fit the new regime’s model. And part of that process is identifying players on the current roster who don’t fit. It’s not always about who you add but also who you subtract. Saleh and the coaches he hired on his staff inherited a Jets team that teetered on the brink of going winless a year ago. With that reality has come several different changes to the team’s roster, with potentially more on the way come draft week. Many of the players who were supposed to be cornerstone pieces for the Jets franchise are long gone, and a whole new crop of drafted players and free agents are coming in to assume those roles. A true testament to how much ownership and the previous regime failed to get the franchise back to respectability. In many respects, even though Jets general manager Joe Douglas shares in the blame for the franchise’s failings the last two seasons, Douglas is also sharing in the same starting point that the new coaching staff is. While Saleh and his staff are starting fresh immediately, it took Joe Douglas two years to reach this point. He has a new lease on life as general manager. Year three on the job has allowed Douglas to press the reset button with Gang Green. In his defense, starting with a clean slate wasn’t something that Douglas was afforded back in 2019. After all, the Jets GM inherited an entire coaching staff, strength and conditioning department, and roster that he had no say in when he was appointed. And ever since then, Douglas has been stripping those parts away. The old coaching staff is gone, the Jets have created a brand-new health and performance department, and very few players that Douglas inherited when he took the job in the summer of 2019 are still on the roster. And the ones that remain could be experiencing their last days as members of the Jets. Since 2019, gone are the likes of Leonard Williams, Trumaine Johnson, Avery Williamson, Jamal Adams, Sam Darnold, Robby Anderson, Henry Anderson, Le’Veon Bell, Jordan Jenkins, etc. Some of these decisions by Douglas are open for debate and scrutiny. The one common trait that all these players have is that not one of them was drafted, signed, or acquired by Douglas. With a new coaching staff looking for specific types of players and a GM who might not be done shedding the previous regime’s past sins, there are still several players in limbo currently on the Jets roster. Let’s take a look at precisely four of them, who all have some level of trade value, and who could be shopped and/or dealt during 2021 NFL Draft weekend. 4. Chris Herndon, TE, NY Jets Back in 2019, when the Jets unveiled their polarizing new uniforms, Chris Herndon was front and center, showing off the Jets’ new look with his teammates. Herndon was a part of a select group of cornerstone players selected to don the new attire and represent the team’s bright future. He was center stage alongside Sam Darnold, Jamal Adams, Leonard Williams, Robby Anderson, Avery Williamson, and Quincy Enunwa. Two years later, only tight end Chris Herndon remains, and based on his recent level of play, it’s as if he no longer exists on the team either. The likelihood is that, much like his former teammates, it could be a matter of time before Herndon becomes an ex-Jet too. Perhaps the current look of the NY Jets will also become a distant memory before all is said and done. It’s easy to forget that Herndon is still on the Jets roster, and it’s also easy to forget how much potential he showed back in his rookie campaign in 2018. At the time, Herndon was shaping up to be one of the Jets’ best mid-round picks in years. The fourth-round pick out of Miami finished first among all rookie tight ends in receptions (39) and touchdowns (4) and was second in receiving yards (502), behind only Mark Andrews. Herndon was named to the All-Rookie Team by the Pro Football Writers Association. Chris Herndon appeared to be on his way to becoming one of the best young tight ends in football. But year two was a disaster for him. Herndon was suspended without pay for the first four games of the 2019 season for violating the NFL’s substance abuse policy. By the time he was reinstated, it had taken him a month to get activated due to a hamstring injury, and then when he finally got back on the field, Herndon fractured a rib and missed the remainder of that season. In 2020, while Chris Herndon was able to stay out of trouble off the field and stay relatively healthy on it, he only produced a modest total of 31 receptions for 287 yards and three scores. There’s still potential for growth with Herndon, evidenced by the fact that he finished the 2020 season with 14 receptions in his last three games. However, working against Herndon is that the Jets have an entirely new coaching staff on offense. On paper, Herndon doesn’t appear to be a fit for the new scheme. He is best-suited to play on the move rather than as an in-line player at tight end. Herndon lacks the physicality needed to play the position in the Jets’ new system. Another factor is that Herndon is entering the last year of his rookie deal. The Jets could be looking toward the future with a new toy at tight end rather than taking on a reclamation project in Herndon. Most experts are not expecting the Jets to draft a tight end early. However, the team could target a tight end once they reach the third or fourth round. The Jets’ scouting department and the former San Francisco 49ers’ assistants on the staff would love to strike gold the same way San Francisco did in 2017 when they drafted George Kittle in the fifth round. It’s not very likely, however, there’s no doubt that the Jets will be in the market for a tight end who has similar traits to Kittle from a physicality standpoint. If all else fails, and the Jets cannot draft a tight end, that projects as a potential Week 1 starter, the team could decide to run it back with Herndon for one more season. However, if a team comes calling with a mid-round pick in 2021 or even 2022, New York might move on. The same decision that they should make with their current uniforms.
3. C.J. Mosley, LB, NY Jets The Jets, in 2019, signed linebacker C.J. Mosley to a massive five-year contract worth $85 million. $43 million of the deal was fully guaranteed. Thus far, the return on the Jets’ investment after two seasons is Mosley playing just 114 snaps over two games in 2019. Last summer, Mosley opted out of the 2020 season, citing family health concerns amid the coronavirus pandemic. Mosley was signed in the same offseason that the Jets signed Le’Veon Bell. Both players were brought on board to be foundation pieces and leaders for the franchise. The thing that Bell and Mosley also have in common is that current Jets GM Joe Douglas didn’t sign either player. The reality is that it’s not out of the realm of possibility that Mosley’s journey in green and white ends up at the same destination that Bell’s did. The buzz going around the last couple of months is that Douglas and the Jets have been shopping C.J. Mosley in trade talks. The decision to potentially trade Mosley is not a surprising one. What’s more intriguing about the possibility is the timing. From a salary cap perspective, the Jets don’t stand to benefit from trading Mosley now. The team would have to eat a lot of dead money to pull it off, and Mosley’s contract runs until through the 2024 season. Finding a trade partner will not be easy. Even though Mosley is a great linebacker when healthy, the return will not match the quality of the player. Perhaps a third-round pick is the best that can be expected. The issue is two-fold with the Jets or any potential suitor for Mosley’s services. Firstly, can he regain his prior form, now that he is 29, two years removed from being the player that was so coveted back in 2019? And lastly, how does Mosley fit in a team’s defense and salary structure? For the Jets, carrying Mosley’s contract shouldn’t be a problem. The team is $25 million under the cap. The draft will eat up roughly $9 million of cap room, so the Jets’ will have plenty of leftover cap space. The question with the Jets is fit. When Mosley was signed back in 2019, he was brought on because he was the ideal 3-4 inside linebacker. That’s not to say that Mosley can’t operate in a 4-3 in the middle of the Jets’ new defense coordinated by Jeff Ulbrich, but the role required in the scheme is slightly different than the one Mosley is accustomed to playing. The signs are out there that the Jets could be ready to move on from Mosley. For starters, the team signed middle linebacker Jarrad Davis away from the Detroit Lions to a one-year deal worth $5.5 million. At the very same position that C.J. Mosley plays. In theory, Davis can play on the outside, but it would break from his natural spot on defense. In a 4-3 scheme, it doesn’t make sense to have two highly paid starters at inside linebacker. It’s also worth noting that Davis was the first player that the Jets targeted and signed in the legal tampering period. This suggests that he was a top priority and target for the Jets’ new defense. There’s also a strong possibility that the Jets address the linebacker position in the draft with one of their top three or four picks. The scheme that the Jets are going to play defensively requires players who can cover a lot of space and stay on the field for all three downs. It’s a lot different from the types of linebackers New York has targeted in the past for the 3-4. Robert Saleh, Jeff Ulbrich, and the Jets scouting department will be hard-pressed to unearth gems like Fred Warner or Deion Jones, but they are certainly in the market for one or more. At one point, C.J. Mosley was expected to be the quarterback of the Jets defense for years to come. But that was also said once about the former quarterback of the offense, and he is now in Carolina.
2. Jamison Crowder, WR, NY Jets This is undoubtedly not a popular suggestion amongst the Jets fanbase. Jamison Crowder is respected and admired by Jets fans and by his teammates. On a team with very few consistent and reliable players over the last few years, Crowder has stood out as one of the Jets’ best players. However, if you take a step back and read the tea leaves, some hints suggest that the Jets could be moving on from Crowder in the future. Before we delve into the financials, let’s take a look at the present-day hints of a potential parting of the ways. The Jets signed former Titans wide receiver Corey Davis to a three-year, $37.5 million contract to open free agency. The 6-foot-3, former fifth overall pick is expected to start on the outside alongside 6-foot-3, 2020 second-round pick Denzel Mims, who Douglas selected in his first draft. The Jets also signed the 6-foot-1 Keelan Cole away from the Jacksonville Jaguars. The signing of Cole has significance when it comes to Crowder because like his new teammate, Cole plays in the slot and can return kicks. The one dominant trait that Davis, Mims, and Cole all have in common is size. The significance of that is rooted in the Jets’ new offensive scheme run by Mike LaFleur, who figures to run a hybrid of the Kyle Shanahan system, for which LaFleur has sat under the learning tree for the last several years. The system requires physical receivers who can block, break open-field tackles and make contested catches down the field. Three areas that Davis, Mims, and Cole excel in and coincidentally three areas that are not considered the strong suit of the 5-foot-9, 177-pound Jamison Crowder. Now for the business side of why the Jets may decide to move on from Jamison Crowder. He is entering the final year of a contract, one that he signed before Douglas became general manager of the Jets. So it’s yet another player that, in theory, Douglas can move on from that he inherited. Crowder has a base salary of $10 million due in 2021. Supposing that he is traded during draft weekend, there would only be $1 million in dead cap money. The argument for keeping Crowder around for a year while the Jets break in a rookie quarterback, presumably Zach Wilson, is a strong one. The idea would be to give Wilson as many reliable targets as possible as he goes through his early development. It’s a sound argument, but if the Jets draft a young wideout or are presented with some decent draft capital in return for Crowder — something along the lines of a third or fourth-round pick in 2021 or 2022 — they might just decide to move on a year early. 1. Marcus Maye, S, NY Jets While, I do believe that ultimately, the Jets will not trade Marcus Maye this offseason, the possibility of a deal can’t be ruled out if Joe Douglas gets an offer he can’t refuse. Excluding Quinnen Williams or Mekhi Becton, the lone player on the Jets that would net the most return in a trade scenario is Marcus Maye. And the fact that the Jets haven’t signed Maye to a long-term deal suggests that a trade could happen. There are some valid reasons to believe that the Jets could be positioned to move on from Maye if not in 2021, then in 2022. The uncertainty of Maye’s future with the Jets beyond 2021 is why he could be traded now. Maye wants to be paid a high premium at his position. The top five safeties, on average, in the NFL, make roughly $14.5 million per season. Denver Broncos safety Justin Simmons recently signed a four-year deal worth $61 million. Maye will be looking for a similar type of payday. Will the Jets make that type of long-term commitment towards him? If they don’t decide to, it could create a contentious situation throughout the entire 2021 season between Maye, management, and the new Jets coaching staff. It’s a less-than-ideal situation for Robert Saleh to deal with in year one of his program. Marcus Maye is undoubtedly one of the Jets’ best players and leaders, hence the franchise tag. However, at 28-years-old, age could determine whether the Jets decide to sign Maye to a long-term deal. 2020 was, no doubt, a breakout year for him. Maye stepped out of the gigantic shadow of the scenery-chewing Jamal Adams and had a significant impact on and off the field. The Jets might want to see if Maye can stay healthy and duplicate that type of success again in 2021. The Jets are oddly log-jammed at the free safety position without having what would be considered a traditional starting strong safety on the roster. Maye’s two top running mates at safety play the same position that he does. More and more, NFL defenses are breaking away from the conventional secondary by utilizing interchangeable safeties. The Jets’ current configuration at safety is a curious one. Last year, the team drafted Ashtyn Davis in the third round. At the time of the selection, it appeared that Joe Douglas drafted him with the mindset of replacing Maye when he was a free agent. Davis projects as a cover safety on the back end of a defense, rather than as someone who can play in the box and take on blockers. The former Cal standout may have to adapt to find a role in the Jets’ new defense if Maye returns. If the season started today, Davis would project as New York’s starting strong safety. Maye can also play in the box against the run, but it’s not his forte. To further complicate or strengthen the safety position — depending on how you want to look at it — the Jets went out and signed Lamarcus Joyner, who will be back to playing free safety after a shaky stint at cornerback with the Las Vegas Raiders. Free safety is a position that Joyner excelled at when he was a member of the Los Angeles Rams. Joyner had so much success in Los Angeles that he parlayed it into a massive contract with the Raiders. The veteran defensive back is expected to assume the same type of role with the Jets that Jimmie Ward had with the 49ers under Robert Saleh. A hybrid type of safety, who can also play one-on-one man coverage. The question is — what role will Jeff Ulbrich have in store for Marcus Maye in 2021? Provided that he is still on the team when the season starts, of course. Ultimately, I believe that the Jets should sign Marcus Maye to a long-term deal even if it goes against the conventional wisdom of paying premium dollar for a safety nearing his 30s. I would personally sign Maye as a good-faith gesture towards one of the team’s best players. And I would do so to get Robert Saleh’s ship sailing on the right course, team chemistry-wise. Joe Douglas should set an example and retain Maye for the long run. But the question is, will he? Like all the players listed in this article, the ongoing theme is two parts. Number one, Joe Douglas did not draft or sign them, and number two, they are all in contractual situations that don’t favor them being on the team in 2022. In the case of Marcus Maye, it’s a matter of whether the Jets want to wait a year before deciding to tag him again. And if it happens next offseason, the likelihood is that Maye will be traded, even with a cap that figures to escalate significantly in 2022. The Jets will not tag Maye a third time so that the second tag will be a precursor to a trade. As evidenced by last year’s Jamal Adams trade and, to a lesser extent, the recent trade of Sam Darnold, if Joe Douglas sees the long-term value, he’s not afraid to trade the team’s most notable players away. If the price is right, he will do it, even amid potential scrutiny. Especially if they weren’t his players, to begin with.
Well, I wouldn't be arsed if Herndon or one quarter jack were traded tbh, we would hardly notice if either then were not on the team for the little they have done for two seasons. As for the other two, Crowder is a name people have talked about trading away at a peak time, if we had singed Samuals then I would have thought he could have left, Cole is a possibility to play that position but I wouldn't be rushing to get rid of him. I would also not be in a rush to get rid of Maye, a player who has been good/great for us and stepped up to replace Adams last season, it is about time we had a one man team again and not letting our better draft selections slide out after one contract and 1 tag.
I'm not saying trading all of them, but each of them have their merits, especially with the understanding that we're still in the middle of a rebuild. Also, while we don't know if JD shares this sentiment, but there's been talk that some teams actually prefer 2022 picks because of the expectation/hope that it will be a more normal evaluation period with much more in-person scouting, face-to-face time and a true combine. Now, as to the four guys mentioned. 1. Herndon: IMO his market value is at a level, I doubt he's worth moving. But for that same reason, I'm all for taking a Devin Jordan or Hunter Long in round 3. 2. Mosley: I know what he was and I know there isn't a real replacement for him, but this is a classic ripping the band-aid off situation. Next year his cap number is $17.5 million, even if he's peak Ravens version that's a tough pill to swallow. Mosley still has $20 million in guarantees left. By comparison, in a trade, potentially $14 million of that will be the other team's problems. Considering the current state of this team, I'll trade the 2021 hit for a potentially much better 2022. 3. Crowder: I know it "creates" a hole, but this is by all accounts a loaded WR draft class. While Crowder has been one of the few FA acquisitions to actually work out in recent years, the additions of Davis and Cole mean the WR position is the deepest it's been in a long time, especially if you add a 2nd or 3rd round WR. I don't know all the rules when it comes to rolling over cap space, but clearing the contract, could create additional room in 2022 and/or open up additional space for any post-draft FAs as positions that we're solidified next week (Richard Sherman signing?). That said the depth of WR in this draft probably means a "disappointing" return for Crowder. 4. Maye: Considering he was arguably the team's 2nd best player last year and a leader, he should be locked up long term. If you can't work out a deal though, I understand the idea of cashing him in for what you can rather than losing him in a year. I would deal Mosley for anything you can get and pending what happens in Day 2 of the draft, would strongly considering moving Crowder if there's a WR you like at 66.
I could see them all gone Crowder isn't going to be resigned and will be replaced by Keenan Cole and a draft pick Herdon is a bust, a new TE will be drafted Mosley missed last year goner was hurt the year before Marcus Maye demands a new contract and becomes a distraction he will be gone too.
I think Crowder is a solid possession receiver and at a good value. I like Maye, but it depends how much he will cost us in a long term deal. If he cost too much trade him for a good value. Mosley has shown nothing over the last two years and is a bust as a FA signing. We paid a lot and got nothing back. Lastly, Herndon has a promising start, but hasn't shown enough to stop us from drafting a top TE to replace him. My steal of the draft would be Matt Bushman TE from Brigham Young. He would have been a top TE if he had not got hurt. Led BYU in receptions for three straight years which is hard to do as a TE. Plus he would give some comfort to his QB we will be drafting at #2.
Draft a guy like Amari Rodgers and i could see Crowder going goodbye. The problem with Crowder is not that he isn't good but that he is overpaid and getting old. But, given his salary I question could we get anything for him. Mosley I could see trading to dump the 2022 salary but it leaves a hole. Herndon has likely a lot more potential under the new regime than he does trade value. I don't see trading Maye as it will not go over well to trade your best player (in 2020) after trading Adams, Leo and Darnold. It is time we sign one of our own and Maye deserves it.
Thanks for your response. 1. Brevin Jordan should be the pick imo. He's a perfect scheme fit and would either push Herndon or replace him as the starter. Hunter Long is a good TE prospect, but imo he doesn't have the speed that they want in this scheme. 2. I agree that there's good reason why the Jets should trade Mosley. There was interest a month or so ago, before FA, I believe. I understand JD's reluctance to trade him since the Jets only got one quarter's play out of him, he was a great player, and it would leave a hole in an already weak and thin LB corps. That said,he isn't a scheme fit, there's a risk that after two years not playing his skills may have precipitously eroded, and there's the huge amount of money the Jets still owe him. I also understand not trading him until you have his replacement in hand and not forcing yourself to have to draft his replacement. Hopefully, he will be traded following the draft, but I'll be surprised if he is. I don't think teams will be willing to take on his contract or give up much for him, and I'm not sure if JD would take whatever just to get rid of his contract. Our best chance of trading him may be following TC or if a contender's starting MLB/ILB goes down with a serious injury. 3. Crowder. This is a loaded WR class and especially at Slot WR. There's Kadarius Toney, Elijah Moore, Rondale Moore, D'Wayne Eskridge, Shi Smith, perhaps Demetric Felton, Dazz Newsome and others. Still, he's one of the most reliable receivers the Jets have, and would be a huge help to Wilson his rookie season. Because I think you're right that the Jets probably wouldn't get much in return for him, I'd rather keep Crowder, let him mentor and help groom his replacement this season. If the Jets draft a slot WR who is a PR, he can focus mainly on STs this year, learn from Crowder, and then the Jets can let Crowder walk in FA, and the WR they drafted this year take over as the slot WR next year. That would also allow us to get rid of Berrios or move him to the rear of the WR corps where he belongs and keep him off the field as a PR. Still, since it will be a rebuilding season and the Jets should be playing a lot of their younger players in an effort to develop them and see who can help them going forward, it wouldn't be the worst thing to go ahead and trade Crowder and let the rookie slot WR start building chemistry with Wilson and his offensive teammates. 4. I totally agree regarding Maye. Hopefully, JD will sign May to an extension before the season starts. I'm sure that he has had his hands full with getting things organized with the new CS, FA and the draft.
It would be dumb in a variety of ways to trade Maye, but one could make solid cases for dealing the other three players. Although, I can't imagine who is going to give up something for Herndon's services after last year.
I have found the vast majority of "Fansided" articles to be rubbish. I honestly, find better "content" here on TGG from posters like ColoradoContrails, ReVISION and NCJetsFan, et. al.
With Mosley, I think it's an issue of how much you want to gamble on the future market for him. Frankly, with potentially $14 million at stake, this is the case where I'll worry about the consequences later and quit while I'm not too far behind lol. Also, IIRC I think some view Davis as a better fit at MLB than on the outside? There might be some more options. Crowder's the toughest decision of the four for me. Honestly, the cap flexibility it provides for an additional vet signing or two is likely more valuable than the pick return. No point dealing Herndon unless you just want him gone period (ala Gase and Darron Lee) and Maye is a guy you should be keeping.
I agree. I just thought it would give us something new to talk about. I also like looking at a variety of sources for Jets info, opinions, ideas, etc.
Yeah, I hear you NCJetsFan. I wasn't criticizing your post per se, just saying that Fanside is known for having some pretty horrible, ill-informed takes on it.
Yes, I've seen that some thing Davis would be a better fit at MLB. Part of me would like to see Mosley play at his previous level (if that's possible) in this defense, I'd rather trade him, so hope that JD will be able to swing a deal and get his contract off the cap, even if we have eat part of half of it. It's kind of weird, isn't it? Last year during the offseason, we all were talking about what a strong, deep LB corps we had, and now with a change of scheme, and letting 2-3 of those LBs walk, we're now thin and don't have a very good LB corps. I'd rather see Crowder stay for the reasons I previously listed, but if can draft one of the top slot WR prospects, clear cap space and JD will use that to sign Sherman or S. Nelson, Poole, and another LB or two, then I wouldn't complain with his being traded. The thing is I'm not sure JD would sign anyone else even if he had the cap space. I totally agree that Herndon should be kept. Saleh and LaFleur as well as the TE Coach may be able to get a fire lit under him. I think a two -TE offense with Herndon and Jordan, along with Mims and Davis could be very, VERY good. If Herndon doesn't bounce back in a big way this year, then they can cut bait with him following this season.
Not to worry, I didn't think that you were criticizing me. That thought never entered my mind. We are in agreement regarding Fansided.
Every one of those guys is absolutely a potential trade candidate. Not that they will all be moved, but any of them could be and would make sense.
Thanks for posting. Of those, I would have zero problem with CJ and a trade or release. We will never know what to miss since he was there long enough for a cup of coffee and a big bonus. As for the rest, we have enough holes to fill, we don’t need anymore. They are contributors that will improve with the new regime.
Would rather not trade any of them. Herndon and Mosely we’d be selling low which you never want to do...Crowder will help a rookie QB a ton and Maye I doubt anyone would want to trade at this point
