Fields, Wilson, Jones, Trask, Lance (Volume 3)

Discussion in 'Draft' started by Brook!, Apr 8, 2021.

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Who would you pick at #2?

  1. Fields

    26.8%
  2. Wilson

    58.8%
  3. Other - Please Explain

    2.1%
  4. Trade Down

    12.4%
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  1. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I highly doubt Roethlisberger's time to throw statistics were anywhere near the top five in both of his SB victories. His quick time to throw is a new development because he and the Steelers refuse to run anything under center.

    Same with Foles - that offensive line is trash in Chicago. I doubt it was that low in Philly.
     
  2. Noam

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    Unless you can show that somehow the measuring of pressure Fields is under is somehow fundamentally different from the pressure other QBs are under then no your wrong and once again full of shit (as you spam this board with your 50 to 100 misleading egotistical spam posts each day) and this is of course in context as all QBs are being measure here by the percentage of how they perform under pressure.
     
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  3. REVISion

    REVISion Well-Known Member

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    The point is that Legler is trying to frame holding the ball longer as a good thing. It's not. Some QB's succeed despite it but it's generally detrimental.

    This is a misunderstanding of correlation and causation.
     
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  4. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks? Are you showing me this because this matches your own assessments? I haven’t agreed with scouts on the top QB of the class for like 7 years straight. More often I’ve been right. I read and heard all of the same regurgitated talking points. Every year the same over analysis takes place.
     
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    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    No @legler82 is framing it as neither bad or good on the surface without context. I believe @legler82 even said as such.
     
  6. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I think what he's showing is that there are both good and bad quarterbacks on both ends of the spectrum.
     
  7. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    The fact that I have to show you tells me you haven’t watched enough OSU games or did not understand what you were watching. I know this is running rampant in here because a lot of folks have Wyatt Davis high on their boards.
     
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  8. REVISion

    REVISion Well-Known Member

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    Of course. But there are more good QB's who throw quickly than good QB's who take a long time to throw. Again, it's generally a bad thing.

    Is Fields good enough to succeed despite it? None of us know. But let's not go a step further and try to spin it as a positive.
     
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  9. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    Why do you still infer even when someone clearly articulate to you of their intent?
     
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    REVISion Well-Known Member

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    Dude, we all know the tOSU offense involves a lot of option routes that take longer to develop. Regardless, that's not a good thing for projecting how Fields will do in the pros. The game gets even faster in the NFL. It's not a good thing that a QB is coming from a system that's designed to reward a QB for doing the opposite of what he'll have to do in the NFL.

    Don't scout the helmet but there are some valid reasons that tOSU QB's haven't panned out in the NFL despite putting up massive numbers in college.
     
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    Stop with the Legler word salad. Dispute my point.
     
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    Do you understand what the term context means? I do not believe you are that stupid even if your only purpose here in posting is to troll and annoy others. This is a percentage not an absolute. The whole purpose of a percentage statistic is to put things into an equal context. It does not matter whether the line is good or bad as it measures what a QB does under pressure. Unless you can show the measurement of pressure is somehow skewed against Field and he faced a fundamentally mentally different kind of pressure than did other top QBs than your once again full of shit or simply once again trolling the board and wasting peoples time.
     
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    This is an ignorant statement. OSU’s offense under Haskins was completely different as it was Fields. Haskins didn’t hold on to the ball. They ran a ton more bubble screens, short crosses and other YAC inducing routes designed to get the ball out of his hands quickly and into the hands of his playmakers. By your QB rules that’s “good” compared to Fields asked to produce more air yards which is “bad”. If Fields doesn’t pan out it won’t be because of a common theme with OSU schematically.
     
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    Give me the guy with the quick release over the quick feet.
     
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    Fields and Haskins had the same coach and offensive coordinator
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    I noticed when your argument sucks you resort to the gifs.
     
  18. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    it's called a discussion. not everyone shut up and listen to leglar82 and is 1 liners. you may have been right some of the time. so have I, so have others here. your opinion isn't the only one that matters. everyone is wrong sometimes and everyone is right sometimes. if you refuse to discuss anything then whats the point of you being on here?
    i'm not the onw who posted the numbers, just stating a fact

    ad people are allowed to counter point that it's fixable or he'll get better, anyone can like who they like.
    brady literally just won in 2021 at 40+ years old
     
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  19. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    I notice you have a history of always being on the wrong side of every QB debate on this board.
     
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  20. Still not even close to the same thing.

    But you trried..political bullshit like always.
     
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