So we are now categorizing another skill or comparison “arm talent” vs “arm strength “? So are we equating that to a pitcher with fours above averages pitches? So for football terms, am I understanding to have the arm talent with Mahomes and Rodgers level, you have to have accuracy (short, medium and Long) arm strength in and outside the pockets?
I'll defer to legler for the definitive answer, but to provide my own: Yes. Arm talent speaks to more than just strength. Darnold has a strong arm, but he does not possess a lot of arm talent because he isn't accurate. EDIT: I'll go one step further and say that Wilson has the most arm talent in this year's QB class.
I was thinking about how to try and get a better, more direct comparison of passing ability between the QBs, and thought that the NFL should hire a set of WRs/TEs/RBs to serve as the common targets for the QBs they're considering. Ideally they should show up on the same day - like a Combine - but could be done on separate days. At least we'd be able to see how the QBs look throwing to same receivers running the same routes.
I don’t watch baseball but all I can tell you is that in my personal definement of the 2 terms arm strength is a component of arm talent.
Can someone explain to me the logic of the Jets going to Justin Fields’ 2nd pro day when they’ve decided on Wilson? Jacksonville wasn’t there.
I know everyone discounts it, but it IS possible that Douglas is considering Fields. Everyone assumed that because the 49'ers decided to trade up to #3 while they were at Wilson's pro day with JD that meant that they heard from Douglas that A) He wasn't going to trade the #2 pick, and B) That pick would be Wilson. But since so many people have stated that Wilson would be ideal in SF, and that SF is drooling over him, maybe what they found out from Douglas was that he was leaning towards Fields.
I found this while looking for video of Fields's second PD: EDIT: It's hard to see the receivers because the camera angle is fixed behind Fields, but you can get an idea, as well as the reaction of those watching. Of course, it's throwing under ideal conditions with no pass rush, etc., but FWIW.
and One has to be careful with stats like that because they're isolated and don't take into consideration schedule, strength of schedule, or injuries. For example in 2019, not only was Wilson coming off of shoulder surgery and had missed spring practice, but he also suffered a broken hand and missed 3 games. To think that would not affect his arm strength, accuracy and judgment/confidence is mistaken. Also even if they played the exact same teams in 2018 and 2019, the rosters of those teams changed as did BYUs, and injuries to other players on both teams probably had an impact upon the outcome of those games.
You can never have enough information. If the Jets didn't go to the 2nd pro day I would have been surprised.
I wouldn't say that it's a "total reset for everyone." Players who have played vs tougher competition have an edge. Players who have played in an NFL type offense have an edge. Players whose mechanics are solid or don't have to work to change footwork or throwing motion, or speeding up their dropback have an edge. Players who can process more quickly definitely have an edge, although they have an adjustment period and will perhaps still struggle initially in the NFL, they should struggle less than those who didn't process quickly in college. I don't think one can accurately say very often that anything is total, or that all of any group have it the same. There are similarities, certainly, and some general truth, but generalizing is almost always flawed.
