Fields, Wilson, Jones, Trask, Lance (Volume 2)

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What do you pick?

  1. Fields

    15.8%
  2. Wilson

    50.0%
  3. Darnold

    17.5%
  4. Other - Explain

    7.0%
  5. Watson - Up to 3 1st's.

    9.6%
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  1. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    "blood in" ??
     
  2. LAJet

    LAJet Well-Known Member

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  3. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Or maybe you're just thinking a bit too highly of him.

    I don't think Wilson is going to be a good player in this league and certainly not up to the lofty expectations you guys are setting him up for in your own minds. I hope we take him and I'm wrong.

    You do understand that you can like one prospect and think very little of another right? It's not propping up a player out of some weird attachment you guys have made this all out to be. It's about who I think is the best player of the two and what I think of the other player and if he can succeed.

    When I look at a player, I think about where I would draft him. And for a small school prospect without any one single elite trait who has one great year of production against lower tier G5 schools that ends up as a second round dude.

    I'll ask you this and you can google search it and let me know. Was his arm strength ineffective in 2019 in any capacity? If not, then an injury is no excuse. I tore my rotator cuff and labrum along with some other shoulder ligament damage. You're throwing at around the six month mark if you're getting back to a throwing and after nine you're pretty much back to full capacity. And I guarantee the old italian slub I had as my physical therapist did not compare to the sports medicine treatment he received.
     
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  5. LAJet

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    I'm sure it was.
     
  6. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    How was he beaten out a second time if he entered the transfer portal before Georgia played their bowl game in 2018? It's not unheard of for high profile recruits to transfer. We just saw one this year in JT Daniels. There are at least ten 4-star recruits at QB transferring for next season. It's a part of the sport.

    Kirby Smart is a safe coach and stays with what he knows. There's a reason they still run an archaic offensive system at Georgia relative to what everyone else is running in CFB. He stayed with what he knew rather than having a nutsack and making the move like Dabo and Saban did and even Clay Helton did at USC (even though I think he made the wrong choice).

    How exactly was Wilson's first season anything other than decent?
     
  7. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Did you read anything other than the bold that says BYU?

    They played none of those teams.
     
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    LOL
     
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    It’s the release that’s quick post snap. He has that awareness to read options routes and deliver the ball with velocity or touch with accuracy that turns me on. He makes up for that post snap read with the quick release off any platform.

    the kid needs time tough to get up to speed. Keep Darnold to compete for this year then let Wilson run with it after the 2022 draft that we are stacked with picks with as well as this years
     
  10. Borat

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    You just answered his own question. He knew he wouldn't start and left. His tenure in Georgia wasn't what he envisioned. It wasn't a success story. Was it his fault? No, I agree that the coach made a mistake and Justin was right to leave. Similarly, there is a perfectly reasonable explanation why Zach's season was an anomaly.

    I would say for a freshman it was a good season. You could say decent, that's fine. He won the starting job mid year (youngest QB to start for BYU), started 7 games, 66% completion 4/1 TD/INT ratio, perfect 18 for 18 Bowl game performance, good 157 QBR. Only his second season was bad, when he was coming off shoulder surgery (and broken hand mid season), and then he blew up last year. Second year was the only bad one, stands as an anomaly, which is explainable by the shoulder surgery.
     
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    Apparently Steve Young, a big supporter of Wilson at the next level, thinks SF was big on Wilson and Wilson on SF, thought was a great match, but that JD will screw that dream up for both.
     
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    How much draft value would SF give us to swap places with them?
     
  13. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Why does that dock points though? I don't get. Three of the last four Heisman winners/number one picks were all transfers. Do they lose points for it too?

    It's hard to prop that season up as the anomaly of the three. I see another one that might be though...
     
  14. Borat

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    I listened to that entire podcast. Very good info from Steve. After listening to that, I am about 80% certain Zach will be the pick. Steve called 49ers "we" and was absolutely gutted they can't get Zach. He brought that up multiple times. He said he talked to Jets coaches, and does not see a way 49ers can get Zach, and was crushed about this. He does not like Mac Jones. Thinks QB needs to be mobile like "TL, Zach, Fields, or Lance". He did bring up processor multiple times, and thinks it's the most important attribute, but values athleticism a lot too. That's why he wants Zach so much, since he thinks Zach has athleticism, mobility, and processor. He is not convinced Mac has elite processor. Someone brought up that Mac is elite leader. Steve responded, give me elite athlete. He struggled with whom 49ers should go if they can't get Zach, but based on his answers I think he is leaning towards Fields, who is a mobile athlete and has more experience than Lance. Says if Mac is picked, that means Shanahan 100% believes he has elite processor, otherwise he does not see it.

    Overall the narrative of entire podcast was how crushed he is 49ers are not getting Zach, since Jets coaches told him they will pick him and already talked to his family, etc... I think this is legit insider info. He did say a lot can happen at some point, but then went back to how he does not see a way 49ers can get him.
     
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    I never said he should lose points, just that some can question the fact he was so highly regarded out of HS (literally more than ANYONE in history according to ESPN), and could not beat out Fromm and had to transfer. Just like you are questioning the season after Zach just had a surgery on throwing shoulder.

    We will have to disagree which one is the anomaly then, but the trajectory after the guy wins the job as a freshman mid season as the youngest QB for BYU, starts 7 games, posts 157 QBR and a perfect Bowl game to end the year, is up not down. When you see it go down to 130, but then back up, 130 is the anomaly.
     
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    Thank you for the recap. Saw that too.
     
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  17. All Gas No Shake

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    fields beat out fromm ... fields not starting was a political decision

    during this years semifinal game, fromm was trending on Twitter because bulldog fans still couldn’t believe that smart decided to start him over fields
     
  18. GQMartin

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    They should have made JD an offer he couldn’t refuse then.

    Enter the Wilson holding out for a trade narrative.
     
  19. NCJetsfan

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    Not enough, whatever they offer.
     
  20. Kryoptix

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    I would 100% be open for a trade but it seems our organization truly believe Zach Wilson is the next Mahomes :D
     
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