The point was to offer you to review Zach's recent performance in tough weather condition (not just highlights but every play in about 11 mins), which you pointed out and I agreed were absent in the Pro Day. You don't have to of course.
Processes the field unbelievably slow, no anticipation, questionable decision-making. Other than that squeaky clean!
I’m a leave the processing speed one alone. My thoughts on that or well documented. So in all of the games I assume you watched of Fields, you couldn’t find any anticipatory throws? Other than the Indiana game this year, what other games can you point to where you felt he made questionable decisions?
Man, I'm not getting deep into this shit. I learned my lesson in 2018 when I rabidly defended Mayfield and got into it with every person that rabidly defended Allen or Rosen or Darnold. It's stupid. None of us are pro scouts, we're fans with opinions. I like discussing them but the Wilson/Fields mess is far beyond discussion. I have said so many times that I think Wilson and Fields are equally as boom or bust, I just think Wilson has much higher boom potential. If we end up with Wilson I won't celebrate, if we end up with Fields I won't sulk. I'm not trying to argue a case for either of them, I'm just telling you based off what I've seen from Fields (yes I watched every game of his last year) I see some alarming traits that I don't think are going to be easily fixable and make him a bad fit for an offense that will rely on timing throws.
Also long, slow delivery, stares down receivers, doesn't feel pressure and often when he does he bales and runs rather than stepping up in pocket and keeping his eyes downfield. With his athleticism and mobility, there's no reason he should take as many sacks as he does. People talk about Wilson playing with a clean pocket and getting no pressure yet ignore that with Fields. Fields may have had the best OL in all of college football, yet still took a fairly large number of sacks (at least for how good his OL was).
I didn’t ask you to get into shit just asking you to provide context support your red flags. Maybe it’s not enough for some’s liking but I’ve seen anticipatory throws on film. So I’m curious as to why one claims he throws with no anticipation. Also that Indiana game was the ONLY I’ve seen when he uncharacteristically made multiple poor decisions so I don’t get how the questionable decision maker label could be placed on him. Maybe there’s another game I haven’t seen. Let me know & I’ll go check it out.
My original post was meant in response to other posts which talked about Zachs throws floating etc, and then saying those questions were answered at the pro day My point was I'm skeptical about the pro day answering those questions because it was indoors.
Good list Who do you think is the best system fit for us? I know from other posts you like Fields a lot but not sure if that's in the abstract or with regard to expected new system thanks
Does his long slow delivery affect his accuracy? Can a QB not be successful with such a delivery? Is it really a red flag or a preference? Most young QBs are guilty of lapses of staring down WRs. Is your position that Wilson is not or doesn’t do it as much? Guys who hold on to the ball get sacked a lot regardless of athleticism it’s a byproduct. Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson, Lamar Jackson & Josh Allen all take a lot of sacks comparatively. I don’t believe that makes them bad QBs.
Both in the abstract and for the system. Fields w/ the Shanahan offense opens up a world of possibilities. Think about what that offense did to the league w/ a healthy RGIII who is no where near the passer Fields is.
Long Slow delivery do not usually last in the NFL. Staring down Receiver- I agree all young Qb's do this especially when learning an offense. Vets still do this I saw AR do it the NFC championship game. Good Vets do it much less. Guys who hold on to the ball get sacked- All special QBs you listed that may hold the ball to long but it is not a good trait unless you have extreme escape capabilities even then mostly a negative. The reason you hold the ball to long matters as well. Are not seeing the defense, Are you waiting for a receiver to come open or are not making the reads quick enough. It is a red flag no matter who does it. All Qb's get fooled doing it consistently is a red flag. We are all guessing and for many reason we have Qb's we like better than others. Fields has red flags as does Wilson as does all QB's . I like to use the senior bowl as a judge as the QB that does well in the Senior bowl has typically been a good NFL QB. That was Kellen Mond this year yet I hear nobody talking about him.
Evidence? Agree. I think guys with great escapability have the luxury to hold on to the ball and wait for bigger play opportunities to develop down field. A guy like Tom Brady however has no other choice but to get the ball out of his hands quickly unless his line gives him time. I don’t view it as neither a negative or positive trait. Furthermore, as the athleticism fades the good ones speed up their snap to throw.
I have heard it said by some in the media that Fields' accuracy on shorter passes isn't as good as his accuracy on intermediate and long passes. I haven't studied Fields short passes enough to know, but am skeptical since his overall completion percentage is so good. Yes, a QB can be successful with such a delivery, but that doesn't mean that it's desirable or that he should have such delivery. IMO he should change it, but he may not be willing or able to, and if he does change it, he'll probably need to sit for a while. Such things are not usually quick changes. IMO it's a red flag as it has an adverse affect or timing plays, can lead to unnecessary sacks, which can lead to the QB getting injured, TOs, and lost games. I agree that most young QBs are guilty of staring down WRs. Wilson doesn't do it nearly as much as Fields. Fields does it on almost every play. Yes QBs who hold the ball too long to tend to get sacked a lot. That's why it's not good. It can lead to strip sacks, injuries, and lost games. That's why I want a QB who can make good, quick decisions and get the ball out quickly. Holding the ball may not make them bad QBs, but imo it makes them less effective and thus the offense less effective.
Look at the beating Kenny O'Brien took and what it did to his game. I don't remember, but did David Carr have a slow delivery? Personally, I think most of the QBs who have slow deliveries aren't very good, so they don't last long enough to become well known, or they become JAGs who bounce from team to team. Fields doesn't really have great escapability however. He doesn't sense the pressure and stands there too long, by the time he feels the pressure, many times it's too late and he's sacked or tackled for little gain. Other times he winds up running. Wilson is much better in the pocket. He senses the pressure, slides, moves up in the pocket, or rolls out, keeping his eyes downfield, then gets the ball out quickly. That may change some in the NFL for at least a while, but imo he has a better chance of continuing this in the NFL than Fields does of developing it and doing it.
Yeah, I agree with all of that. I did not realize people were making a big deal of his throws. It was a nice pass. Shows he has potential. The Jets are evaluating far more than just that when making their decision, so fans don't need to worry. I just don't get how someone's brain can watch that Wilson pass, get upset, and then pick a nice play Sam had in a (2-14) season to somehow try to make a point. Blows my mind. "Hey look! The former #3 overall pick in the NFL Draft can make nice throws too!" I'd hope so. Nope. 100% Riddick. I avoid most of his takes, so I only saw that because it was posted here.
