I'll take C. But really I think the Jets are gonna stay with Darnold. But with Douglas taking a trip to North Dakota to watch Lance is that due diligence or actual intrerest? They keep Darnold this year. Groom Lance to take over after that. He fits the modern day QB.
We've done that before with not good results. Let's try a different approach and draft our future QB. The Jets could have had Mahomes or Lamar Jackson. Not saying any QB in this draft would be like them but we need to try especially if Darnold isn't the guy Saleh and LaFleur wants.
I prefer that they address the QB position this draft. Sam may go on to be a fantastic mid tier QB but I'm done watching his bonehead play with the Jets. He has all the tools except for the one between his ears. You don't need to be a Mensa to know when to throw the ball away and not run out of bounds 8 yards behind the line of scrimmage. I'd like Douglas to be confident enough to spend the #2 on one of the QB's (I know that I'm not capable of saying one is better than the other) but if he doesn't I trust him (not that it matters.) Just trade back and get someone to compete with Sam. The guy has never even been pushed.
I couldn't agree more, and this is exactly where I am. I see the merit in both scenarios but like you see some issues with both Fields and Wilson. This team needs IOL in the worst way yet, here we go again and sign a DT that has been injured the last coupe of years. BUT...maybe RS&JD think that they can run the ball, play defense and limit QB mistakes (thinking they may keep SAM and trade back - pick Pitts I hope, OL, CB) with the 49ers O or a form of it. All I know is, if the OL is not addressed "better" *that means not signing guys like G/C Dan Feeney ) then last year and so far this year, it really will not matter who is back there because it will be the same shit show we've witnessed the last few years, irrespective of the scheme.
It's important to note that the draft class changes in an instant. Burrow was not on anyone's radar until he exploded with probably the best QB season of all time. Baker probably was on some radars but again, raised his status tremendously his final season. Zach Wilson wasn't even a thought as a top prospect until his showcase season this year. On the surface, Rattler is probably the top prospect followed by Howell (not enough athleticism though and Air Raid). I imagine JT Daniels is going to be a guy that no one here has seen a lot of that flies up the board with a good showing in a good SEC offense. So it's less about who is available when looking ahead and more about knowing there is usually a couple of guys that will be there.
It's also how the Cowboys rebuilt and the Colts rebuilt and the 49ers rebuilt and the Ravens rebuilt and the Steelers rebuilt, etc. Good teams understand that you need to have weapons and protection for your young QB before he hits the NFL. Things are going to be moving so fast for him on the field that he needs to have help that has been there and done that and knows the system.
Actually in most years there is NOT "a couple of guys that will be there". Many times it's one or maybe two. It's rare for even 3 good prospects to be coming out, let alone 5-6 like this year. And then you're left with the problem of "how do the Jets get themselves in a position to get one of those rare players?". As to Howell and Rattler, neither are considered as good as Lawrence, Wilson, and maybe might be as good as Lance, Fields, Jones. Certainly neither are considered better than anyone this year, so how does it make sense to pass up taking one of the guys this year when it won't cost the Jets anything to trade up as they will almost certainly have to next year?
So what you're saying - implying - is that if the Jets draft a QB at #2, they will not be able to improve their team enough this year and next to make it worth having a young FQB play for them. That these two paths: improving the team and drafting a potential FQB are mutually exclusive. Because IMO they aren't. In fact, it makes much more sense to take the assured opportunity to draft that FQB now, and continue to build around him - as the building process is already underway - than it does to defer trying to get that FQB while you build the team to some "acceptable" level of quality and then hope you can acquire the opportunity to draft that FQB (who may not even be as good as one you could get this year). This "either or" choice is a fallacy.
What exactly is the bold based on? Have you watched Rattler at all? He has every single physical tool to be an excellent pro and will likely prove it down at QBU after maturing his game and building on a good redshirt freshman season. For what it's worth too, for all you Wilson boys, he had only a slightly lesser statistical output in a much better conference. First round quarterbacks by year 2020 - 4 2019 - 3 2018 - 5 2017 - 3 2016 - 3 2015 - 2 2014 - 3 2013 - 1 2012 - 4 2011 - 4 2010 - 2 You're a big prisoner of the moment in the evaluation of these guys dude.
I think you're half right when it comes to the Bills situation. Clearly, the Bills misevaluated Mahomes or Watson, otherwise you don't trade down. That said, they were smart enough to understand that if you don't have the franchise QB and you don't like the options, you have to continue to build the pool of resources so that when the QB you love is there and you have the trade chips to make a run. With extra picks in hand, they were able to trade up for Allen and still have far more resources to build around him than the Jets with Darnold. Personally, I'm in the take Wilson and get what you can for Darnold camp, but I understand the counter argument. That said, if you are not taking a QB at 2, you have to leverage that pick in a way to prevent the situation you stated above. If they do not end up with Wilson (or Fields/Lance) and they don't have a third 2022 1st rounder, I'll be very disappointed.
The people who are worried about Wilson being too small are going to love the 6'1 205 lb Rattler. "Slightly lesser statistical output" is a nice way of saying significantly less than Wilson in every relevant QB stat.
As well he should though, right? Rattler was a rookie playing in the Big12. Wilson was a 3rd year starter playing cupcakes all year
There's no assured opportunity to draft a FQB this year. There's almost never an assured opportunity to draft a franchise QB. This year the Jaguars have that opportunity. FQB's come from everywhere in the 1st round but particularly from the #1 overall pick. They do not come from the #2 overall pick at any higher rate than from other non-#1 picks because if there is an assured FQB opportunity out there he went on the #1 pick. Jets fans this year are confusing the opportunity to choose a QB with the opportunity to draft a FQB. All the #2 pick gives us is the chance to pay a much higher price for the same bust chance that we would get later in the 1st round.
How? He played one less game and threw for five less touchdowns, four more interceptions with 0.8 less yards per completion in a better conference. 32 less yards per game. The only significant statistical difference is the 6% less completion percentage. Yeah I mean there's a obviously a difference there, but it's not that big of a difference. And he has another year to improve upon that in a power 5 conference that actually played some defense for the first time in a decade this past year.
Yeah, I have seen Rattler, and he is good, but not talked about being as good as Lawrence or Wilson. In any case, that's ONE guy, and what are the chances the Jets get to draft him? Almost zero. As to all those QBs drafted, how many can we say have been successful? Most have not been. And if we were to rank all those QBs based on their college resumes, this year's group would be in the upper end of that ranking. That's not to say this year's crop are all guaranteed to succeed, but again, what are the odds of the Jets being able to have their choice of QBs like they do this year? And that's the second side of the double edged sword involved in passing up taking a QB this year: how do the Jets get a chance to draft a potential FQB better than the chance they have this year at #2 without having to either lose a LOT of games, or giving up a LOT of assets?
Huh? Rattler is the Heisman favorite lol. No one's talking about him as a prospect because he's not eligible for the draft yet. Yeah and to your second point - a lot of these guys won't be successful either. Just as is the case in most draft classes. Your thought that everyone down to Trask and Jones and even Mond are going to be good pro players are pipe dreams and I think you're going to be rather surprised at how far some of these guys tumble. These guys that you think are all going to be good NFL players are still prospects at the end of the day and you're just assuming they're all going to be good, because as I said, you're a prisoner of the moment with extreme recency bias. Mac Jones is another good example of a guy no one talked about as a pro player until this year when he beat up on a down (still good but down for their standards) SEC.
Exactly, I guess I wasn't clear, but I totally agree that one doesn't take a QB just to take a QB. If you don't like any of the QBs or they don't fit your scheme, then of course, you have no choice but to try to go ahead and build the team and then hope to get a QB the following year. As you said, in that situation, they need to trade down to secure addtional draft picks to use in the following year's draft so that they can then hopefully trade up and get a QB. There are several topnotch QBs in this draft that would be great fits for the Jets' scheme, so that isn't an issue.
