Yeah, been thinking about that since the noise started in Seattle. That pick could end up being a windfall and almost makes me want to scrap the idea of trading for Watson altogether.
It's a chance I'm willing to take if the return is Watson. Watson is the unique kind of endgame for me that removes the "anti rooting" that usually arises for me in the wake of moves made by my favorite teams.
No. I have zero interest in Wilson, and don't think he has any interest or desire to play for the Jets. I'm certain the wants the chance to win another SB. IMO Wilson is too old and has taken too much of a pounding. His skills could go downhill rapidly or he could decide to retire within a couple of years. I'm not trading a bunch of 1st round picks for an older QB like that. I think that would be foolish in the extreme with the Jets' current situation. If they had a great team already assembled and only lacked a QB, then yes, I'd probably do it and see if I could win a SB. He'd probably be interested in playing for the Jets in that scenario.
I think you misread my question. I have no interest in Wilson. I was asking if you would be hesitant in giving up Seattle's 2021 next year because the rumors of Wilson being moved from Seattle.
Sorry, I totally did. When you referenced the thing beginning with Wilson and Seattle, I guess I assumed you meant we should trade for him (as several other posters did). It does make it a harder to give up. That is an excellent point. Still to get a true FQB in his prime, who is at top 3 QB in the NFL, it would be worth it imo. If we're able to trade for Watson, I'll hope that Wilson doesn't get traded. LOL If we don't trade for Watson, and draft Zach Wilson, then I'll hope that Seattle does wind up trading Russell Wilson.
Not if he's home on his couch. It's like having tens of millions in Bitcoins but you can't remember your password.
The only way you look to acquire Watson is if the package is two picks or less, or if you had some sort of long guarantee that he'll be your quarterback for 7-8 years. The latter is certainly not in play. Also - why would Watson go anywhere and immediately not want input? He wanted it in Houston. And he can hang that over the next franchises head when he nears the end of his second contract. It was fun to think about at first, but when you get down to the details, it's not a good way to build a team.
IMO your first statement is not true. Watson would definitely be in play for being our QB for 10-15 years. There may be no guarantee, but there never is unless you sign a player to a long term deal. The Jets could certainly do that. They could tell Watson that they wanted him to spend the rest of his career with the Jets and give him a deal similar to what Mahomes got. It is my understanding that the bold is not true, either. McNair approached Watson and told him that he was going to give him input. Watson didn't approach McNair and ask for or demand input. I disagree that it's not a good way to build a team. Trading for and signing a top 3 QB isn't a good way to build a team?
The reason he wanted input in Houston was because he saw how terribly the Texans were being run and that a pastor with no football experience had a huge, negative influence on his team. He looked at the roster and saw that they just went 4-12 with elite production from him at QB and have no cap space or draft assets to improve the roster. Then they signed a coach with no head coaching experience that has lead position groups to the worst ranks in the league over and over again. He wouldn't be in that position on the Jets.
Well, you can look at it one way. If he wants input on the next HC and GM hires, the whole thing was a complete failure anyway.
Yes, of course it does, but only if the costs were so extreme that the team would have to cut other players to fit the QB in under the cap or hurt the team in other areas in order to be able to acquire him. That isn't the case with Watson. His contract is reasonable and I don't believe that JD would give up anything outrageous for Watson. It will have to be a fair and reasonable deal, or JD won't do it. Some posters here don't seem to have a problem with having to trade a "haul" of picks next year to move up to draft a an unproven and most likely, less-talented QB. How is that better than trading a "haul" of picks for Watson? Watson is a proven commodity, a top 3 QB in the NFL. If JD has any kind of FA and draft like I think he will, then the Jets will probably finish with anywhere from 6-9 wins this season. We could possibly even win 5-6 games with Sam at QB. That could very likely have us drafting outside the top 10, and if we win 8-9 games, we'll probably be drafting around 15 or so. If the Jets could even find a trade down partner, it would cost them 2-3 1st round picks and more to move up into the top 5. How is that reasonable? It would be much more reasonable and worth it to trade that or a little more for a proven top 3 FQB who is only a few years older than the rookie.
One thing's for sure. This off-season has a long long way to go! 29th of April is such a long time away. I can see us with DeShaun and I can see us with Wilson. This thing is going to be a ride until we no longer hold #2 Sent from my M2007J20CG using Tapatalk
I suppose. What happens if we go 6-10, 9-7 (playoffs), 8-8 and he plays well and Quinnen Williams holds out and we get run all over in the last year? Wouldn't he want more say? I'd bet Pete Carroll and John Schneider never thought they'd have this issue with Russell Wilson after basically gifting him a Super Bowl to start his career.
I mean. We have a coaching staff that has accomplished absolutely nothing with rookies leading the ranks in all three leadership spots. Our general manager just assembled a 2-14 roster that allowed their best receiver to walk and put a band-aid on that position with a player whose career year came a year earlier only when the top three receivers in that given offense went down. We have no elite edge rusher or corner. We have no good receivers. I don't need to hear the argument about how that can be fixed with aging mercenaries in free agency that'll somehow form a team. You've said it and others have as well. In the end - we're the Jets. And on the surface (with some of our own hometown sprinkled on top of the surface) it feels like things are turning around and this is a good situation. But the reality is that Houston won two divisional titles and had a down year last year (against a very difficult starting schedule and division I'll add) and he's running from the situation as fast as he re-upped his contract when he had the chance to do so. As bad as that situation is, we were a worse team last year. And Douglas seems like he's doing things right but he hasn't really done anything to prove he's a good GM yet.
I was just playing devil's advocate there, I think we're on the same page about what should be done for the most part. Some day this dumb team will string together more than 2 seasons as a contender and it will be because they stopped trying to take shortcuts and did it the right way, against the wishes of every reactionary, impatient knob of a Jets fan.
No I know we are. I went devil's advocate to your scenario. It's more than likely we'll be talking about the hiring of Mike McCarthy in three-four years anyways though.
Doing nothing would already be an improvement over the way they destroyed their roster in Houston. I don't think Watson wanting input on the Jets roster is an issue. The Jets hired the coach he wanted, and if they trade for Watson, they are going to want to put him in a position to succeed. But yes, I agree that the Jets front office still has a lot to prove. I think calling the opportunity the Jets have in free agency as fixing the roster "with aging mercenaries" makes it easy to dismiss the ability for Douglas to immediately surround Watson with talent like Joe Thuney and one of the top young free agent WRs available this offseason. The only reason the Texans had a better roster than the Jets last year was the QB position. If you put Watson on the Jets and bottom of the league production from Darnold and Flacco, the Texans easily have the worst record in the league. If you don't think the new coaching staff, $80M in free agent spending, adding 5 draft picks in the top 100 this year, including 1st and 2nd round picks, and Deshaun Watson can add up to a contender, I don't see how you think the picks the Jets would give up for Watson would help anyway. Zach Wilson, #34, '22 1st, and '23 1st has a VERY low chance of ever combining to be as productive as Watson's career average year.
