I have no problem with the Jets getting Watson. I do have a problem if they pay a premium for him. He's damaged goods in Houston for reasons that are probably 50/50 between him and the team. I offer them the #2 and done. If they have a QB they really like in this draft they take the offer because they're not getting that QB guaranteed on the 3. Not with the Jets also needing a QB.
I don’t think you’ll find many people who’d agree with this. Shit I don’t even think the Texans would agree with this.
what do you mean he is damaged goods? because they are in an apparent conflict? i would imagine that nobody in their right mind would trade him for less than stafford, iirc they got 2 firsts and a starting qb. its going to take way more than the 2 to get him and it should. he is worth more than any draft pick ever created because he is young and proven. every draft pick is completely unproven and really could go either way. watson is as close to guaranteed as you can find.
The Texans have made 3 Playoff appearances since 2019 ...we have had zilch. We get instant winning seasons and a chance for a Playoff appearance Watson can scramble and make plays while the Jets build around him ...an older more experienced Trevor lawrence but still only 25! This is not an overpriced Curt Cousins lol. I hope Douglas makes a generous offer and finds us some gems in the later rounds of the Draft if we expend our 2nd and firsts for Watson Other quality players might sign up behind Watson and Rob Saleh...worth the risk
Watson for the #2 makes perfect sense. We're not trying to pry Watson from the Texans. Watson has already taken care of that part. Put yourself in the Texans shoes: 1) Watson is GONE, and he ain't comin back. That ship has sailed. This is the reality the Texans are facing. 2) Would the Texans rather have Zack Wilson (a young Arron Rogers/Patrick Mahomes as per Simms) or 3 low 1st round picks spread out over the next 2 years? I get the Texans would WANT our #2 plus a ton more, BUT if the Jets best offer is our #2, then the Texans will have a choice to make. Zack Wilson -or- whatever then can get with 3 late 1st round picks. They're gonna need a top QB prospect to excite the fan base. We can leverage that reality with our #2 and leave it right there. Texans may have little choice but to take it.
You dont want to play games with a guy who doesn't want to be there. That is never conducive to winning especially when that guy is the starting QB. Houston will cave
They have one other choice — call Watson’s bluff that he isn’t willing to never play NFL football again in order to not play for the Texans.
and for what though? You "win" the argument but lose every week? I think they aren't going to put their pride above what is best for the team. they will trade him
I doubt Watson would go that far, but that would be the ultimate test case for the NFL's virtually unlimited hold on players, and could serve to finally break it. Of course Watson would likely become the NFL's version of Curt Flood: How Curt Flood Created Modern Free Agency | Reserve Clause | MLB (imaginesports.com)
I think so too. Some fans on here are treating this like we're trying to pry Patrick Mahomes away from KC with a massive offer. Texans are in a world of hurt. One card the Texans CAN'T play is: "If we don't get a great offer, we're just gonna keep Deshawn and play him under center for 2021". That ship has sailed. At this point, Texans have no choice but to take the best offer they can get. Jets with #2 AND with Zack Wilson sitting there at #2 is by far the best offer they will get, considering they HAVE to come away from this nightmare with a top starting QB -or- a top rookie prospect. Probably the best they can do would be a straight swap with Seattle for Russel Wilson, another QB who wants out. This is probably the one phone call they would take at this point. Second would be a straight swap with the Jags for Trevor Lawrence. Third would be a straight swap with the Jets for Zack Wilson. Fourth would be a swap with Miami for #3 and Tua, however this may be even lower than the forth best option with Tua looking terrible in his first season and the #3 might not get them a FQB in the draft. Lots of ????? with this option. Then you get into a bunch of other teams like the Bear, Skins, etc that don't have the cap space for Watson and don't have anything special in the way of starting QB to offer up or tons of good draft picks. There could be a dark horse like the Carolina who'd offer up Teddy Bridgewater, Robbie Anderson, and Christian McCaffery, something insane like that. But they'd still be stuck with Teddy under center, and that's not gonna bring the fans back. Ya, the Texans will work their way down the list and probably stop at the Jets with the #2 and Zack Wilson.
I heard on ESPN recently that this is exactly what they're gonna do.....let Watson rot on his couch. But...I think it's probably more bluff than reality. It's the Texans telling other teams "don't come in here with a bullshit offer...we'll just let Watson sit".
There is no unique hold on players that the NFL has that this will serve as some test case for. This is a basic contractual situation that Watson voluntarily entered into.
I don’t think it’s a bluff even though I think they’ll eventually trade him. He signed a long term deal and his only options are to fulfill it or not play. Sure, the Texans will lose his services as well, but Watson’s value isn’t going to decline over the next year or so, so the Texans can wait for the blockbuster offer they want, and he’s worth, or wait until Watson decides he’d rather play for the Texans than sit at home.
Trading him doesn’t guarantee they won’t lose. They win by either forcing him to fulfill his contract or get the deal they are willing to trade him for — both are wins. Watson’s value isn’t dropping anytime soon so they have no need to rush a trade.
Logical comparisons are not made because of similarities but absence of differences. You may want to actually think about the two scenarios a little more if you don’t see the huge differences between them.
It might be 'cutting of their nose to spite their face'. Sure, they're pissed at Watson for causing all this mess and no doubt love the thought of letting Watson stew for a season. But some realities may rule the day in the end: 1- Texans may become convinced that Watson will never play another down for them, not this year, not any year. So letting Watson stew won't result in him coming back to the Texans. Not now, not ever. This is certainly the msg Watson is putting out. 2) Someone at the Texans is gonna start looking at what they could get NOW for Watson, and start thinking that's the way forward. For example, if they come to the same conclusion on Zack Wilson that Chris Simms came too, they may not want to lose out on Zack just to prove a point to Watson. Tons of emotions right now on both sides.
All reasonable possibilities. If the Texans love Zach Wilson they’ll accept a trade that includes the #2 pick, but in the end it will be a trade on their terms because they decide that getting Wilson is worth losing Watson. I don’t think the concern about Watson not playing this year is greater than their desire to maximize what they get back in a trade.
He could be the Jean-Marc Bosman the man who ruined football/soccer contracts. the bosman rule for folk who don't like soccer. The ability for a football to move on a free transfer between clubs at the end of his contract. So buy a footballer for 100m and give him a 5 year contract and if you can't get him to sign a new one he can fuck off for a big fat 0 In the short version of the story, he ended up ultimately losing everything despite winning the case and making world-class footballers rich beyond their wildest dreams. Funny old world.
