Deshaun Watson Mega Thread (Volume 3)

Discussion in 'National Football League' started by Brook!, Feb 5, 2021.

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What would you give up for Watson?

  1. #2 pick in 2021 Draft Only

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  2. #2 pick plus another 1st Rounder

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  3. #2 pick plus 2 other 1st Rounders

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  4. #2 pick plus 3 other 1st Rounders

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  5. To Hell with Watson. Stay put

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  1. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    Not necessarily, women aren't given the same opportunities as men in many countries, so the US women don't face the same level of competition (in terms of resources that went into developing their opponents) that the men do.
     
  2. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    If the Jets give the Texans the best offer, the Texans can tell Watson you're going to the Jets or you aren't getting traded.
     
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    If that is the deal, the Jets are getting fleeced.
    And for the record Watson is not a top 5 QB like many here think, top 10 yes.
     
  4. REVISion

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    Denver is another possible destination I've seen thrown around. They have a sneaky amount of talent on offense. Gordon, Jeudy, Sutton, Fant.
     
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  5. chad2coles

    chad2coles Well-Known Member

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    Share your list then.

    Watson has put all his numbers up behind one of the worst o-lines in the league every year. I guarantee that 2 QB's on your top 5 are at least 38 years old, only one of them is better than Watson, and both improved from their age 25 season to their age 26 season.
     
  6. chad2coles

    chad2coles Well-Known Member

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    It's already been reported that Watson wouldn't be selective with his no trade clause. The Jets could sign Thuney and we'd immediately have a better o-line than he's ever played behind. The Jets hired the coach he wants, and have the cap space and draft picks to build a team around him, even after trading for him. The Texans don't have any draft picks or cap room. They will have less talent than they had last year regardless of whether or not they trade Watson.
     
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  7. major33

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    Then he says fine. Plays like sh*t cause he's miserable and screws the organization. Sorry, but he has a no-trade clause. If Houston screws him over the no-trade clause, nobody will want to play for that team. Texans have no leverage.
     
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    He will be selective with his no-trade clause. He just came off a miserable season with a lot of turmoil. What he's looking for is a chance to win but most importantly right now, stability. That's being selective. He's not going to an unstable organization.
     
  9. chad2coles

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    Of course they do. I don't see why there are so many people on the extremes of this. Deshaun Watson and the Texans both have leverage. Watson can't make any money, and will in fact be fined if he sits out this year. The Texans will have their 25 year old franchise QB sit out and not be able to add any talent through the draft or free agency to a 4 win team next year. Any rebuilding they want to do will completely be pushed back a year by having Watson sit out. It is in both of their interests to work towards a trade.
     
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    That is true but not necessarily completely true. The US team recruited heavily from the college system. That's essentially a pro-equivalent set up at a non-pro status. A set up that was far in advance of anywhere else in the world. That was one of the keys to US success, although not its only one by any means. Pro women's sport has only very recently really become a true career option in the rest of the world and a proper development structure is still being developed. Of course, I don't necessarily think that US will ever not be a dominant force in women's soccer, but the level of competition will increase as the world's major players develop proper infrastructures to develop female players.
     
  11. NCJetsfan

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    I went on Twitter and asked him. The cost is supposedly 3-1st round picks in the next 2 years including the #2 this year, a DL not named Q. Williams, and a 3rd round pick in an undetermined draft. D4 is indeed Watson.
     
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  12. chad2coles

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    I haven't read anything that has suggested Watson has given the Texans a list of teams he would or wouldn't accept a trade to. The reports have been that he requested a trade, and that he is looking for a franchise that is less dysfunctional than the uniquely dysfunctional Easterby Texans. As it is, there's only a handful of teams with the assets to make a trade for Watson. If it's a team with less draft assets, they are going to have to trade some of the talent on their roster for the Texans to agree to the trade.
     
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    What? Do you really think the Texans are going to further piss off the one remaining asset that can bring them a ton by giving him an ultimatum? If he says no Jets, then it is no Jets. Not much more to discuss. If he has to sit out, that's what he will do. What he will not do is put himself in a situation where he does not want to go. That's why he has a no-trade clause.
     
  14. NCJetsfan

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    I understand your viewpoint, but disagree. For one thing, the Jets can give more than anyone else can. If Watson truly wants out of Houston, the Jets may be his only option. He really likes Saleh. We have Becton, Crowder and Mims. If we add Thuney in FA and draft another OG starter, and add another playmaker at WR in FA like Robinson, Godwin, Samuel, Golladay or Davis or add Javian Hawkins, or Demetric Felton and a RB like Michael Carter or Jaret Patterson, I think Watson would be quite happy here.
     
  15. chad2coles

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    McClain seems to have the most access to the Texans front office. He keeps saying the Jets have the package the Texans want.
     
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  16. Br4d

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    The only actual leverage in the situation is the contract.

    Watson can sit out and accumulate fines however he can't do that secure in the knowledge that the Texans would make the fines good when he returned. There's no leverage there at all for him because the new CBA assumes exactly this situation: a player unhappy with his contract who chooses to sit out. The fines are designed to create overwhelming leverage for the team that forces the player back into the building.

    That's just what it is.

    Now, Watson can choose to fight the system but it is a rigged system that gives players very few options other than playing out their contracts.

    BTW, the NFL got this clause inserted specifically to deal with the situation we have with Watson and the Texans: a star player with guaranteed money holding out. However the assumption was that the holdout would be a greed play looking for more guaranteed money. The Watson situation is insane - a player signs a huge contract with lots of money upfront and lots of guarantees and then effectively immediately repudiates it.

    It's not clear how Watson finishes the scenario. He has no real leverage to speak of and doesn't even have a route forward through the courts because no court would invalidate the contract he signed.
     
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  17. chad2coles

    chad2coles Well-Known Member

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    So your opinion is that the Texans have no leverage in where they send Watson and that Watson would not waive his NTC to come to the Jets. The Texans obviously have leverage and there hasn't been a single report to suggest Watson wouldn't waive his NTC to go anywhere. Where do you think he'll be traded, and what will he be traded for?
     
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    You think he would be quite happy here. That's just making stuff up. You are speaking in hypotheticals about the future but not looking at the atrocious instability of the organization. The Jets are not his only option. Come on. Although we have the best package because of the #2 pick, it comes down to where Deshaun wants to play. If he wants the Jets, then chances are he probably will get dealt here.

    I hope he works it out in Houston.
     
  19. Br4d

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    Logically speaking if only the Jets have the package that the Texans want, well that package isn't available because the Texans have no leverage to force the Jets to part with it.

    If Watson does get traded to the Jets it will be for a lot less than we can imagine right now. The Texans are going to wind up bidding against themselves until other packages become the reality they have to accept. This will also bring other teams into the bidding process.

    If I was the Jets and I wanted Watson I would make sure the Texans understood that Watson's contract was an enormous impediment to the deal and that this was going to have to be taken into account in the trade process.

    I would suggest to the Texans that with Watson having the most expensive NFL contract over the 2022-2024 window that we would need multiple 1st round picks back from them to assume that contract on our cap.

    I would offer them the #2 for Watson and I would cancel out all other draft picks the Texans wanted as compensation for taking on that huge contract impediment.
     
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    I hope he stays in Houston. But that franchise made such a mess of itself the past year that nothing would surprise me. He may have no choice but to go to the Jets and that would not be his first choice. At this point, I'm a bit worried about bringing someone in who just had a tumultuous season when we're starting fresh & we're not his first choice. If we were, a deal probably would have been made already so the Texans can prepare for the draft and F/A.
     

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